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      09-15-2009, 09:12 AM   #1035
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nevermind I got it to work after refreshing it 20x and mine IS like that in the cold and mornings, but then goes away.

I just figured it was normal, I have the CPO only warranty so I am not sure if they would fix it or not?

But to me it just reminds me of the fuel injs on a honda prelude my friend had b4.
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Merging this with the giant "Metallic Ticking Noise" thread.
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nevermind I got it to work after refreshing it 20x and mine IS like that in the cold and mornings, but then goes away.

I just figured it was normal, I have the CPO only warranty so I am not sure if they would fix it or not?

But to me it just reminds me of the fuel injs on a honda prelude my friend had b4.
Mines a CPO and they did it for me
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^^ how loud was yours though with the hood shut?

Cause in ALL honesty I cant tell if mine is Bad or Normal?

I guess in winter time I will be able to tell better correct?
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im going to put my stock intake on seeing that bmw keeps saying they only hear it because the stock intake isnt in place which would hide the noise
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^^ how loud was yours though with the hood shut?

Cause in ALL honesty I cant tell if mine is Bad or Normal?

I guess in winter time I will be able to tell better correct?
It was definitely loud. you could hear it clearly at cold start up. theres a campain out for this problem, they should just fix it.
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^^ how loud was yours though with the hood shut?

Cause in ALL honesty I cant tell if mine is Bad or Normal?

I guess in winter time I will be able to tell better correct?
If it's hard for you tell, yours is probably normal. It's a very obvious rhythmic click, like 6 clicks per second when idling. When you step on the pedal it gets faster. It's noticed most when you're in a drive thru line where there is a wall it can bounce off of.

Mine was bad and intermittent. I had my cylinder head replaced a month ago and it's since been corrected, real nice now. BMW gave me no bones about it...they ran a lot number on my engine and said, "Here's a loner. Let us keep it a week." The engine is quiet as a mouse now. Very pleased with the way they handled my case.

Anyway, my clicking was much like this, though much more metallic sounding and much louder.

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Dealership did the bleed-down procedure on mine a few months back. I brought it back a few weeks ago since the ticking came back, they replaced the hydraulic lifters on the exhaust side, had my car for probably a handful of days.

Hasn't come back.
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Dealership did the bleed-down procedure on mine a few months back. I brought it back a few weeks ago since the ticking came back, they replaced the hydraulic lifters on the exhaust side, had my car for probably a handful of days.

Hasn't come back.
Same here -- they did the bleeding procedure and the ticking came back in 5 days. Shorter trips make it happen more frequently apparently. I drove it as is for months with the ticking and finally told them *how to fix it* when I got my first oil change at 12,000 miles. They were cooperative and did the job -- I think your knowledge of the issue is power. You should be fine with your fix as well. They apparently open up a PUMA case for this issue and BMW Germany makes the decision on the approach. They told me some people get head replacements, some people get lifter replacement. Apparently both yield the same "fixed" results, however, one is more labor intensive than the other? Good luck y'all.
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My 330 did this as well. Dealer did the bleed procedure w/o verifying the noise. Not only did the noise disappear, the engine runs quieter in general.
Spoke too soon. Noise was back today (after not driving car for 3 days)
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Spoke too soon. Noise was back today (after not driving car for 3 days)
Use this thread and gain knowledge of the issue. I don't think the bleeding procedure helps in 99% of the cases, perhaps temporarily. Tell them to replace the cylinder head. They can open up a PUMA case, if needed.
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Hello again guys. Well i got a vedio of the dreaded noise im hearing. This started happaning 3 days after my head replacement witch now was like 2 month ago. Ive bin having this sound for now two month on cold starts happanes every single morning. I am pissed beyond imagination. I have called BMW NA 4 times just for them to say that there is nothing that can be done becouse the master tech at my dealer said that its normal. I WANT TO THANK BMW FOR MAKING MY LIFE A LIVING HELL AND NOT CONSIDERING THEIR COUSTOMERS. I WAS TREATED LIKE I WAS 5 AND I DIDENT KNOW WTF I WAS TALKING ABOUT. WELL YOU GUYS FAILED IN MAKING THE 3 SERIES A GOOD CAR TO ME ITS A PEICE OF CRAP THAT NEED A MECHANIC. IDK IF THERE IS MUCH I CAN DO NOW I ONLY HAVE MY POWERTRAIN WARRANTY TILL 100,00. I HAVE 53,00 ON THE CAR BUT STILL THE DEALER AND BMWNA WONT CARE. I STILL HAVE HOPE BUT ITS SLIPPING AWAY REAL FAST AND IDK WTF TO DO ANYMORE. I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A NEW CAR OR ANYTHING I BOUGHT THIS CAR WITH MY OWN MONEY AND IM 19. SO THANKS AGAIN BMW AND ALL OF THE FING TECHS OUT THERE. IM COMING AFTER ALL OF YOU. HERE IS THE LINK FOR THE VEDIO.
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Hi everyone - newbie here - I just purchased an 07 328xi about a month ago and have been lurking around the forum here for a while. What a great resource this is. Sorry if this has been discussed in the previous 46 pages of posts - but here goes:

It sounds like many of you have had this ticking issue very early and may have gotten progressively worse. My car has about 40k and has not developed this problem (knock on wood). Is there anyone that has seen this problem develop for the first time at 40K? 50K? later? Or can I assume I'm "out of the woods" on this one?

If this problem develops after warranty is out, is BMW offering recourse? What would the head replacement cost out of pocket?

Thanks for all the help!
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sorry to hear it came back

thats about the only time I hear mine is in the VERY cold mornings OR at my wendys drive thru window but it is never to loud. Just noticable, and I really dont trust my dealer to take apart my engine to fix it.

I guess I have another 2 years left on my CPO so if it gets worse I can always go in later.
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sorry to hear it came back

thats about the only time I hear mine is in the VERY cold mornings OR at my wendys drive thru window but it is never to loud. Just noticable, and I really dont trust my dealer to take apart my engine to fix it.

I guess I have another 2 years left on my CPO so if it gets worse I can always go in later.
I definitely would let it be then. Trust me, you'd know it if you had it. Others would comment - "Why is your car making that clicking noise"? because it's very obvious when it does it. Your car sounds fine! Enjoy it.
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Hi everyone - newbie here - I just purchased an 07 328xi about a month ago and have been lurking around the forum here for a while. What a great resource this is. Sorry if this has been discussed in the previous 46 pages of posts - but here goes:

It sounds like many of you have had this ticking issue very early and may have gotten progressively worse. My car has about 40k and has not developed this problem (knock on wood). Is there anyone that has seen this problem develop for the first time at 40K? 50K? later? Or can I assume I'm "out of the woods" on this one?

If this problem develops after warranty is out, is BMW offering recourse? What would the head replacement cost out of pocket?

Thanks for all the help!
IIRC the ticking which we're talking about doesn't get progressively worse. You either have it or you don't. It usually affects the E90 330/325s because of a design issue regarding the cylinder head. Basically it prevents the hydraulic lifters from staying filled with air bubble free oil. The oil drains out and when you start up the car you get a tap. We're not talking a barely audible tick, but a TAP, almost like valve tap. BMW initially said it won't affect longevity of the engine which may be true, but because it became such widespread and it's really annoying to hear on a $40k+ new car, BMW has been doing the head replacement after you go through their process (2-3 bleed procedures then request for replacement which is 99% of the time approved).

Early model 328's may be affected, but I don't know (I have the 330). I don't know if current 328's have it. Trust me, if you have it, you'll hear it loud and clear. As for the cost? Well IIRC it's about $3k from what my SA said when I had mine done, but that's dealer shop rates. Indy might be 20-30% cheaper.

IMO..at 40k miles if you haven't heard it you're in the clear (maybe work was already done).
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I am in no way justifying the situation BMW put you in, but it is just a car and should not be making you life a living hell.
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thanks again guys, Yeah I have 51k miles and I called and asked my SA if anywork on this has been done previously and he said NO, so right now to me it is fine, so I guess when it hits 0 F here and I still dont have ticking i will be super happy.

I just am scared of the hacks who work at dealership by my house..
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I just had the Bleed procedure done on my 330i and the sound comes back from time to time so back to the dealer I go...
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September 2009

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B11 09 07 dated January 2009.

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Intermittent Hydraulic Valve Adjuster (HVA) Noise

MODEL
All E82, E83, E88, E85, E86, E60, E61, E70, E90, E91, E92 and E93 vehicles with N51, N52 or N52K engines produced approximately up to November 31st 2008; refer to cylinder head casting identification attachment.


SITUATION
An occasional ticking or rattling noise from the camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) may occur during cold engine starts, due to frequent short-distance driving, or the noise may occur for an extended period of time even though the engine is at operating temperature.

Improved parts were phased into production beginning on 10/1/2008 and fully implemented on November 31st 2008.

CORRECTION
Do not perform the bleeding procedure that was previously provided in SI B11 09 07 which has now been deleted.

All vehicles produced between 10/1/2008 and 11/31/2008 must have each vehicle's cylinder head casting number identified before hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) replacement, due to staggered implementation. Refer to the attachment for the casting number location. Vehicles produced after 11/31/2008 have already been fitted with improved parts. Vehicles produced prior to 10/1/2008 will require the new parts.

Improved Casting Numbers

N51 (B30)
7588277.01

N52 (B30)
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N52K (B30)
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A cylinder head casting number that does not match will require replacement of the 12 exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) as per Repair Instruction RA 11 33 050, Removing and installing/replacing all rocker arms. Only the exhaust camshaft and rocker arms have to be removed in order to replace the hydraulic valve lifters. Do not remove or replace any intake camshaft valve train components.

PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Quantity

11 33 7 605 330
Hydraulic Valve Lifter (HVA)
12

Refer to EPC for additional gaskets, seals and bolts, as required by the Repair Instructions.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty, or the Certified Pre-Owned program.

Please refer to the latest KSD for the applicable Main or Associated labor allowance for the specific model.

Defect Code:
11 33 93 39 00


Labor Operation:
Labor Allowance:
Description:

00 58 248
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Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

*Main Work

or

00 58 827
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Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

+ Associated Work

Note: The following explanations will spell out the correct use of the work times.

Main Work:
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OR


+Associated Work:
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Under no circumstances should both labor operation numbers be claimed. Attempts to claim both times will result in an unnecessary delay in claim processing and payment.
I love you man lol JK Where did you get the TSB from. I think you saw a number of my posts about my car trouble. Had the cylinder head replced but i still have that rattaling soun on cold start. So this is a breakthrough for me. Now i can speed ove to the stealership and shove this in there face thanks man. Let me know where you got it from.
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