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      05-11-2008, 04:28 PM   #23
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so what does it work out to be then? whats the better option?
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so what does it work out to be then? whats the better option?

The bottom line is Carlos, you need to swap your car for mine.
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so what does it work out to be then? whats the better option?
Using 'Pythagoras theorem' and 3 super computers the best option appears to be either an E92 M3 or a 996 Turbo.
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Using 'Pythagoras theorem' and 3 super computers the best option appears to be either an E92 M3 or a 996 Turbo.
996 turbo no way, ballistic when re-mapped and zorst'd up but sooooooo old skool and dated looking inside, also VERY basic i thought.

E92 M3, yes i want one. I want a 997 turbo more though


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The bottom line is Carlos, you need to swap your car for mine.

And your wife, we have a deal
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Using 'Pythagoras theorem' and 3 super computers the best option appears to be either an E92 M3 or a 996 Turbo.
He's not answered my PM re. a Porsche Gibbo (and he PM'd first).

Oh, he's answered now. Ta Carlos.
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And your wife, we have a deal
Ill part ex her against your Miswah.

Want the babby as well?
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Oh dear, here we go a interesting thread, disentangled?

*uck it I'm going down the nitrous oxide injection route!

I'll leave you all for dust
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Ill part ex her against your Miswah.

Want the babby as well?
No mate, dont want the baby. How much and your miswah?

so 320i + your miswah and how much cash for my miswah?
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No mate, dont want the baby. How much and your miswah?

so 320i + your miswah and how much cash for my miswah?
Tenner?
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Tenner?
how much the 320i worth?
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Oh dear, here we go a interesting thread, disentangled?

*uck it I'm going down the nitrous oxide injection route!

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so what does it work out to be then? whats the better option?
Ian, I agree it is a really relative subject for people thinking of buying a new car and potentially automatically buying a diesel without working out the full impact.

Carl, the better option is probably a mixture of what you desire in a car and the mileage you do per year. The point of the thread is that the relative cost of running a petrol car is getting closer to the diesel equivalent. It may be at a point now or very soon that the petrol is so close to a diesel car that if your 'heart' says petrol and your 'head' says diesel that you can go with your 'heart' and only pay a small premium over the full term you own the car.
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Ian, I agree it is a really relative subject for people thinking of buying a new car and potentially automatically buying a diesel without working out the full impact.

Carl, the better option is probably a mixture of what you desire in a car and the mileage you do per year. The point of the thread is that the relative cost of running a petrol car is getting closer to the diesel equivalent. It may be at a point now or very soon that the petrol is so close to a diesel car that if you 'heart' says petrol and your 'head' says diesel that you can go with your 'heart' and only pay a small premium over the full term you own the car.

I for the past week have doen less than 10 miles per day in the DXB.
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I think the oil boys and the goverment are taking the piss!

Anyways, i love the low down torque and relaxed drive of my 320d, and with it remapped it sinks my mates into to seat heaps more than an M3!!!

The speed limit is 60/70mph. to impress someone in a petrol your breaking these speeds in no time!

In a D you can just jag it for 500rpm round town. Torque is thee conversation stopper and you dont have to worry about penalty points so much
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I for the past week have doen less than 10 miles per day in the DXB.

So if you do say 12,000 miles per yr and would prefer a manual 335i over an auto 335d the overall cost is not that much more. I brought my d thinking I would save 750 a year in fuel + far superior residuals, but this is just not the case now. I mentally dismissed the petrol and in hindsight it may have been the better option for me.
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So if you do say 12,000 miles per yr and would prefer a manual 335i over an auto 335d the overall cost is not that much more. I brought my d thinking I would save 750 a year in fuel + far superior residuals, but this is just not the case now. I mentally dismissed the petrol and in hindsight it may have been the better option for me.
In reality the 335i would be better for me also. I do love the 335d now i have her though!
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Carl, the better option is probably a mixture of what you desire in a car and the mileage you do per year. The point of the thread is that the relative cost of running a petrol car is getting closer to the diesel equivalent. It may be at a point now or very soon that the petrol is so close to a diesel car that if your 'heart' says petrol and your 'head' says diesel that you can go with your 'heart' and only pay a small premium over the full term you own the car.
nail hit squarely on head.

Carlos it's difficult to comment in your circumstances.
Given your style of driving and your views on MPG v MPH, I don't suppose it really matters, one way or another. (Not a dig by the way)
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Hold on, I think we should be comparing the 330i with the 335d, they are the two competitors, we took a 330i coupe out for a blat the other day to have a bit of a comparison with the 335d.
The reason we took it out was my mate is a bit bored of his 335d, he misses the petrol and the way you have to work it a bit and feels the diesel is just a case of sticking you foot down and let it push you along, which is exactly right.
He is getting 35.7 mpg from his 335d, and does around 18k miles a year, he went with the diesel because the 335i would have only been 26mpg, but I said to look at the new 330i, as quick as the 335d and not far behind MPG wise either.

So we had a bit of fun with them, from a standing start there is nothing in it, it is down to the driver, simple as that, more often than not the 330i was slightly ahead by 60mph, but we a talking a bonnet length, by 100 the diesel is pretty much back neck and neck.
Slamming the pedal at 60mph is where we thought the diesel would comfortably walk it, but again there was really nothing in it, which was surprising.
The diesel does feel like it is going faster, but we both agreed the petrol was the more fun of the two.

This is where it started to get interesting, the consumption.
While hammering them the 335d was showing 28mpg and the petrol was showing 26mpg, so only 2mpg between them, but we do know that diesels excel when sat at just under 2000rpm on a steady cruise, so that is 65mph in the 335d, but who buys a 335d to sit at 65mph??

We then reset the OBC and went for a steady run into town, round the inner ring road, so a few roundabouts and sets of lights, and then out into the sticks and round the back roads for 15 odd miles at a steady pace.
The 335d was showing 37mpg by the time we got back and the 330i was showing 34mpg.

So two cars that are the same performance wise, work out the same in fuel costs, 10% more economy for the 335d but diesel is now nearly 10% more at the pumps, and we both agreed that the petrol is the nicer of the two to drive.
Then there is the price, for the price of the 335d with no options you can get a 330i with nav, logic 7, bluetooth, and leather.

So the 330i is the car to have then??
Well no, it's not yet, because everyone will still think that the 335d is a 45mpg car and the 330i is a 25mpg car, so residuals for the petrol over the diesel will be where the real cost differences occur, the diesel will always hold more value.
having said that, buy a 330i that is 6 months old and lost a massive amount, generally the petrols loose 30% off list in the first 6 months so you could be paying 6000 less for a 330i over a 335d, so keep it for 2 to 3 years, it could be very cheap enjoyable motoring. Cause by the time you get to 3 years old and say a 335d is worth 20k, there is no way your 330i is only going to be worth 14k, I bet by that age there would be 2-3k in it as people realise just how good they are.
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gizze, top post and very interesting review. I guess even a brand new 330i will be harder to sell for the dealers so if there is a deal to be had on a 'stock' car this could be the one.

I think this shows another of my long held beliefs that mpg between say a 320i and 330i is not that much different as you drive the 320i harder to get the extra peformance. (No disrespect to 320i owners).
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330i is never as quick as a 335d

it just aint happening mate


at the wheels gibbos stock 335d made 238bhp scottc 330i made 190

let alone the torque,

acceleration it will not live with it 0-60, 0-100 1/4mile and wil be trounced over the ton

the diesel you had must been a shiight one.

Go check stats for them, they only just break into the 14's over the quarter at under the ton, a second behind the 335d (stock also) which is over the ton
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I think this shows another of my long held beliefs that mpg between say a 320i and 330i is not that much different as you drive the 320i harder to get the extra peformance. (No disrespect to 320i owners).
Im looking to move up to possibly the 330i. There are a few AUC on the BM site now sub 20K which in my eyes offers great value. Incidentially, where does the 325i peformance lie in comparison with the 320i and 330i?
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Is his a sept 2007 car??

The old 230bhp car is well behind, the new 272bhp car is not.

As I said, up to 60mph they were evens, and in some cases the 330i was slightly ahead, but that may have been because it was manual and easier to get a good start? By the time you got to 100mph the 335d was pulling back and starting to creep ahead.

But the difference is not worth worrying about, in comparison my 335i was a couple of car lengths ahead of the 335d, which is a noticeable difference. (that was with the Xede unit on it and doing the sprint to 60mph in just over 4.5 seconds).

I sold my remapped 535d with 42k miles on it so I know the engine well, it is quick, but this new 330i is extremely impressive, I would have written it off completely but was lent one for 3 days when mine was in for an update or something, and I was bowled over by it, the performance and the economy.

I am going to have a look at the offical figures.
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