Next GEN I-DRIVE Retrofit - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

apw2607 · 08-11-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSpira

The overall architecture is not being changed but I still don´t see the possibility of retrofitting a CIC into a CCC car as being something that is even for the advanced amateur.

One reason is because cars are coded according to VIN which corresponds to how the car is equipped at the factory. That makes it difficult if not impossible to code a CCC car for functionality that the CIC would have.

Yes, I agree. The coding does present a problem.

Booster4075 · 09-03-2008, 01:16 AM

Whose gonna guinea-pig this?!?!... cause I really want to see it work!

Saigon · 09-03-2008, 02:11 AM

i thought it was just a DVD you can pop in, the 08 nav in my car sucks

BMW! · 09-04-2008, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavarian19

I really don't understand the idrive retrofit. You really might as well trade in for an '09 model. Save up a few bucks and buy a new car if it is that important.

haha +1

gIzzE · 09-04-2008, 05:10 PM

Not really, it would cost around $15-20k to swap from an 08 model to an 09 model in the UK.

purplewidow · 09-20-2008, 01:42 PM

sure it would cost a lot to trade in your car.. but once you put in a new system like this forget about having your warranty. then your going to lose more on resale.. who wants a car that has a new idrive in a year that it isn't supposed to be on.. think about all the different sensors and so on. i am sure the tpms system is different also many others as this new idrive is supposed to be a beast.. i know i am looking to trade in my car in a year year and a half to get an m3 if i don't get another 335 or jump the gun and get a 911 carrera S.

Raja Ventureshield · 09-24-2008, 03:07 PM

80k for 335i ouch. that hoooorts.

FastLane · 09-25-2008, 09:47 PM

NGH

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

Sorry folks, you have a better chance of having digital boost gauges show up on the idrive screen then a retrofit.

Booster4075 · 09-30-2008, 03:11 AM

Who's gonna bite the bullet?!?!

Is this the NEW Hard Drive-based system...already on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-drive-80G...742.m153.l1262

...and does anyone actually know for sure that the new monitor/display is different than the older one?

ShadeZeRO · 09-30-2008, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Who's gonna bite the bullet?!?!

Is this the NEW Hard Drive-based system...already on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-drive-80G...742.m153.l1262

...and does anyone actually know for sure that the new monitor/display is different than the older one?

Yeah, I saw that.
Looks like a mix of current gen and the Canadian idrive with google maps.

garyhgaryh · 09-30-2008, 02:12 PM

Just buy a nice after market nav for about $400. Yeah, it's silly having two navigation systems in your car, but the one in our cars are so bad (yeah it's that bad) I might resort to it. I use my iphone to get the address and punch it in to my sophisticated $2k+ system. When people see this they get a good laugh cuz it's no better than the $99 ones I see for sale from time to time (probably still better than the one in my car).. Yeah yeah, we get the cool integration with the car for setting our preferences, music selection, etc... but a bad nav is still a bad navigation system.

nukezero · 09-30-2008, 05:44 PM

IT can be done! I had a Acura TSX without navi and many people and dealers say it could never be done as the existing harness, connectors are not the same.

Well, what happened?? One guy started building his own connectors, harness, and bought a service manual. He spent 2 weeks and posted his work on acurazine.com. Thats when 10 of us including me, did the same thing! we bought a insurance salvage/pulled navi system, radio, dvd drive, etc. and retrofitted it. Everything, wiring had to be custom made and hand wired and built! Took me 1 week!

for example, there were multiple wires you had to run throughout the car to key components in my Acura TSX. These include: VSS (vehicle speed sensor) to the ECU, Can-H, Can-L bus differential (to the dash gauge cluster), other ECU parts, A/C and HVAC tapping, and other stuff like ignition, ACC (accessory),etc. You just have to go find where they are located!

Looking at bimmers, the change will be more significant including completely replacing the dashboard plastics, custom building a harness cable , tens of connectors (just like the acura) and custom pins to tap into various parts of the electrical system.

Hence, two things will be needed! the complete bible service manual to the car and the electrical manual!

I believe it can be done! just need time to research and study the parts and money to buy the parts...

but i learnt my lesson! i won't go through that hassle again! so i made sure to GET the damn NAVI this time!

Technic · 10-02-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Who's gonna bite the bullet?!?!

Is this the NEW Hard Drive-based system...already on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-drive-80G...742.m153.l1262

...and does anyone actually know for sure that the new monitor/display is different than the older one?

That doesn't look like the CIC, and the new iDrive display is different as it has a higher definition LCD panel than the current one.

Booster4075 · 10-30-2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607

The screen sizes stays the same at 8.8" for the 3er, screen resolution is up to 1280x480 however.

Yea, this is double the resolution of the i-drive of the past (which was 640x240.) Also, there's no longer a huge multi-pin LVDS cable - its just a 2 wire (multi-core) shielded cable.

It also looks as if the controller, even though its different, is still on the K-Can bus, despite the added buttons. In addition, the IBOC (for HD radio) is built into the CIC now.

The more I look at this, the more it seems feasible from a hardware standpoint. The main connector on the back even looks the same. Its that damn programming again. Getting Progman to program this might be impossible....but Autologic? Since the software is out there, it should be do-able. I might have to upgrade my FTM to TPMS to keep up with the times on these cars...this would involve additional programming...

Also interesting, is that there is an ethernet capability on the back of the CIC. (not a standard computer-type port...but think of the possibilities!)

I can't wait for this next generation of i-drive hardware to hit Ebay...!! (Maybe I'll be doing a next-gen retrofit also!)

Hunter399 · 10-30-2008, 11:41 AM

Im very interested in doing this

I have access to a bme computer as well here at the shop

youyou · 11-10-2008, 05:15 PM

I would easily drop a few G's to get this done...
When there's a will there's always a way...

Booster4075 · 11-20-2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youyou

I would easily drop a few G's to get this done...
When there's a will there's always a way...

We're waiting for you to get started...

kennethpetro · 11-20-2008, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster4075

We're waiting for you to get started...

^^+1

Technic · 11-20-2008, 10:27 AM

Have anybody checked if at least the current iDrive OEM connectors for the LCD screen, CCC and controller knob are the same as the new iDrive higher resolution LCD screen, CIC and new controller/buttons assembly?

hudaman · 11-20-2008, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

Just buy a nice after market nav for about $400. Yeah, it's silly having two navigation systems in your car, but the one in our cars are so bad (yeah it's that bad) I might resort to it. I use my iphone to get the address and punch it in to my sophisticated $2k+ system. When people see this they get a good laugh cuz it's no better than the $99 ones I see for sale from time to time (probably still better than the one in my car).. Yeah yeah, we get the cool integration with the car for setting our preferences, music selection, etc... but a bad nav is still a bad navigation system.

I'm so fed up with the idrive nav that I'm looking to buy a nuvi no matter how embarrassing it looks. My wife's 4 year old nuvi blows mine away.

youyou · 11-21-2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster4075

We're waiting for you to get started...

Lolol
I know nothing about getting this done.
But i was thinking of maybe starting some sort of fund and getting someone here to get the project going.
I'm sure there would be huge interest in this if it was doable...

youyou · 11-23-2008, 01:09 PM

Common people there must be some folks here that would like to get this done??

09-03-2008, 02:11 AM	#25
Saigon Brigadier General Drives: BSM E92 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,520 iTrader: (46)	i thought it was just a DVD you can pop in, the 08 nav in my car sucks __________________ 07' Alpine White E93 335i M-Sport \| BMW Performance \| Beige l Piano Black l Sport l Premium l Heated l Navi \| Steptronic l Comfort Access l Logic7 l iPod & USB \|

09-25-2008, 09:47 PM	#30
FastLane Live life in this lane.... Drives: E92 335xi Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chi-Town, USA Posts: 327 iTrader: (0)	NGH NOT GONNA HAPPEN Sorry folks, you have a better chance of having digital boost gauges show up on the idrive screen then a retrofit. __________________ '08 E92 335xi: the girlfriend '04 Yamaha R6: the mistress '99 Mustang Cobra: the wife

11-10-2008, 05:15 PM	#38
youyou Colonel Drives: Porsche 997 C4S Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,411 iTrader: (0)	I would easily drop a few G's to get this done... When there's a will there's always a way... __________________ Retired-1996 Porsche C4S Polar Silver Retired-2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cab Basalt Black Retired - 2010 S5 Cabriolet Ibis White Retired - 2008 M3 E93 Alpine White Retired - 2007 335 E92 Alpine White

11-23-2008, 01:09 PM	#44
youyou Colonel Drives: Porsche 997 C4S Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,411 iTrader: (0)	Common people there must be some folks here that would like to get this done?? __________________ Retired-1996 Porsche C4S Polar Silver Retired-2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cab Basalt Black Retired - 2010 S5 Cabriolet Ibis White Retired - 2008 M3 E93 Alpine White Retired - 2007 335 E92 Alpine White

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09-03-2008, 01:16 AM	#24
Booster4075 First Lieutenant Drives: E90, 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 388 iTrader: (1)	Whose gonna guinea-pig this?!?!... cause I really want to see it work!

09-04-2008, 05:10 PM	#27
gIzzE Brigadier General Drives: E350 cdi Estate. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Norfolk, UK. Posts: 4,659 iTrader: (2)	Not really, it would cost around $15-20k to swap from an 08 model to an 09 model in the UK.

09-20-2008, 01:42 PM	#28
purplewidow Lieutenant Colonel Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,928 iTrader: (2)	sure it would cost a lot to trade in your car.. but once you put in a new system like this forget about having your warranty. then your going to lose more on resale.. who wants a car that has a new idrive in a year that it isn't supposed to be on.. think about all the different sensors and so on. i am sure the tpms system is different also many others as this new idrive is supposed to be a beast.. i know i am looking to trade in my car in a year year and a half to get an m3 if i don't get another 335 or jump the gun and get a 911 carrera S.

09-24-2008, 03:07 PM	#29
Raja Ventureshield Brigadier General Drives: BMW M3 coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,587 iTrader: (6)	80k for 335i ouch. that hoooorts.

09-30-2008, 03:11 AM	#31
Booster4075 First Lieutenant Drives: E90, 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 388 iTrader: (1)	Who's gonna bite the bullet?!?! Is this the NEW Hard Drive-based system...already on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-drive-80G...742.m153.l1262 ...and does anyone actually know for sure that the new monitor/display is different than the older one?

09-30-2008, 02:12 PM	#33
garyhgaryh Major Drives: Supercharged e30 M3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: santa cruz Posts: 1,178 iTrader: (4)	Just buy a nice after market nav for about $400. Yeah, it's silly having two navigation systems in your car, but the one in our cars are so bad (yeah it's that bad) I might resort to it. I use my iphone to get the address and punch it in to my sophisticated $2k+ system. When people see this they get a good laugh cuz it's no better than the $99 ones I see for sale from time to time (probably still better than the one in my car).. Yeah yeah, we get the cool integration with the car for setting our preferences, music selection, etc... but a bad nav is still a bad navigation system.

09-30-2008, 05:44 PM	#34
nukezero Major Drives: '09 335I Cpe Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sunny Socal Posts: 1,117 iTrader: (4)	IT can be done! I had a Acura TSX without navi and many people and dealers say it could never be done as the existing harness, connectors are not the same. Well, what happened?? One guy started building his own connectors, harness, and bought a service manual. He spent 2 weeks and posted his work on acurazine.com. Thats when 10 of us including me, did the same thing! we bought a insurance salvage/pulled navi system, radio, dvd drive, etc. and retrofitted it. Everything, wiring had to be custom made and hand wired and built! Took me 1 week! for example, there were multiple wires you had to run throughout the car to key components in my Acura TSX. These include: VSS (vehicle speed sensor) to the ECU, Can-H, Can-L bus differential (to the dash gauge cluster), other ECU parts, A/C and HVAC tapping, and other stuff like ignition, ACC (accessory),etc. You just have to go find where they are located! Looking at bimmers, the change will be more significant including completely replacing the dashboard plastics, custom building a harness cable , tens of connectors (just like the acura) and custom pins to tap into various parts of the electrical system. Hence, two things will be needed! the complete bible service manual to the car and the electrical manual! I believe it can be done! just need time to research and study the parts and money to buy the parts... but i learnt my lesson! i won't go through that hassle again! so i made sure to GET the damn NAVI this time!

10-30-2008, 11:41 AM	#37
Hunter399 Major General Drives: F30 335i Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 7,751 iTrader: (30)	Im very interested in doing this I have access to a bme computer as well here at the shop

11-20-2008, 10:27 AM	#41
Technic Major General Drives: 2012 E92 M3, 2010 CC Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 9,852 iTrader: (13) Garage List 2004 M3 [0.00]	Have anybody checked if at least the current iDrive OEM connectors for the LCD screen, CCC and controller knob are the same as the new iDrive higher resolution LCD screen, CIC and new controller/buttons assembly?