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      06-05-2010, 09:39 PM   #859
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What is FSC?
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You are using the old idrive controller with the CIC? Hmm, didn't realize that worked - cool.

What exactly did you code to make that work?
My CIC recognized the old idrive controller without coding it. It did not recognize the new controller. I decided to keep the old idrive controller because i would had to do some cutting.
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Good find! Looks interesting. I see the two CAN transceivers on there (black boxes on the left) - so I'm sure you're right - it's probably just modifying the VIN CAN packets to make the CIC happy. Although I wonder what the implications are of this - for things like Assist maybe? Although I think emergency calls identify the vehicle by the VIN stored in the TCU itself - hopefully.
Assist is definitely bound to the TCU not the headunit.

Big advantage to this circuit is that it would also retain voice control; if voice control was already activated in the CIC since you're not doing any recoding.

I sent the US distributor of their products an email to check on availability, chances are they don't even know about it yet. Potentially would be a good group buy opportunity to get some units over here.

I wouldn't be surprised though if it was vaporware.
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      06-06-2010, 01:32 PM   #862
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Dension 500







Gap issue with AC console, Thats only because i have a pre-lci.E60 LCI owners will not have this issue. Is not as bad as it looks, will replace it when i find a deal on a used one.










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Now that the trailblazers have accomplished this retrofit, perhaps anyone undertaking the retrofit in the near future (I'll be doing mine next year), could consider making this into a DIY thread in the DIY section, slimming the 850+ posts down to those that really matter.
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Now that the trailblazers have accomplished this retrofit, perhaps anyone undertaking the retrofit in the near future (I'll be doing mine next year), could consider making this into a DIY thread in the DIY section, slimming the 850+ posts down to those that really matter.
I second that notion. Good job guys!! I actually did't think it was going to be this difficult when I started the thread.
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I made a short installation guide a while ago here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=454413
We need your help here Technic:

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CIC emulator - Short Review

OK, so I bit the bullet and decided to buy the 'CIC emulator'. That little control board that I found on the web a few weeks back.

What does this board do.


Put simply it negates the need to buy separate FSC enabling codes for the CIC and Voice Control. You just connect this board to your CIC instead. As an added bonus you get video in motion thrown in for good measure.

http://www.codecard.lt/dash/bmw-cic-.../prod_432.html



Since I was a little skeptical of the product I emailed the US distributor to try and get some detailed information but after a few days wait I still hadn't received an answer which didn't really surprise me so I ended up going directly to the source.

I placed my order for the 'CIC emulator' on the 7th June and it was delivered by DHL on 10th June. The package was posted from Lithuania which is in eastern Europe so I was quite staggered by how quickly I received it.

The board arrived fairly well packed in its own packing, it was then stuffed into two courier supplied envelopes. Along with the board and packing there is a nice piece of heat shrink material to keep the board insulated after installation.

The board is professionally made using surface mount components which are all housed on the front of the board.



The CIC emulator board itself is quite small, measuring just 1.25" x 1". There are a couple of transceivers on the board and a larger IC performing the glue logic which unsurprisingly had its details sanded off to hide its origin and function.





How does it work


One explanation of how this might work is that the board sits on the CAN bus and manipulates the security packet containing the vehicles VIN. This tricks the CIC into playing nice with the car.

I'm sure someone will pipe in with a better explanation.

Installation

http://www.codecard.lt/images/file/B...n%20manual.pdf

The installation instructions that can be downloaded from the codecard website are basic but enough to get the job done so I'm not going to repeat those here. You will need 22 SWG stranded wire and a soldering iron with a small tip to solder the wires to the board. Installation of the board is very simple. Now I'm not a big fan of cutting stock wiring so I deviated from the instructions and made myself a temporary harness so that I didn't have to cut any wires. For $475 it would have been nice if they had supplied such a harness with the board, given the type of car its going to be installed in.



Operation


I'll keep it plain and simple, IT WORKS.



After putting everything back together and connecting the battery, the CIC came on with the navigation option enabled. The big one for me is that the Voice control is fully functional, which is like the icing on the cake. A nice little bonus, I popped in a DVD, put the car into drive and rather than seeing the usual safety message the video continued to play.

The emulator board integrates perfectly with the CIC, there is no noticeable delay or anything strange going on during operation.

I've had the 'CIC emulator' installed now for 3 days and its working perfectly as advertised, the Navigation option has remained enabled 100% of the time, every time I've turned the car on so I'm very happy.


Conclusion

The CIC which I purchased from ebay was coded perfectly for my car. It came from a US spec MY2010 E92 335i with just about every option enabled, this meant that my 6FL and Logic 7 worked out of the box, my phone and other communication functions worked exactly as they had done with the old CCC installed so I had no coding to do. This made installation of the 'CIC emulator' extremely simple in my case.

If you need coding support or also have to purchase an FSC code to enable country specific maps you will be better served using the services offered by Patrys.

My retrofit is not quite complete since I do have one item outstanding which I plan to replace soon. I currently have the older CDMA TCU installed in my car so at some time in the near future I want to upgrade to a GSM unit and enable the CIC online services. I also have to source the new sharkfin antenna fitted in MY2010 cars with Sirius enabled from the factory.

So here's the disclaimer. I do not know or have any affiliation with the makers of this product. The 'CIC emulator' is working for me. YMMV

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OK, so I bit the bullet and decided to buy the 'CIC emulator'. That little control board that I found on the web a few weeks back.

What does this board do.



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Nice review! Thanks! Those two 8 Pin ICs on the right are most likely two of these:

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/TJA1050.pdf

Tough to tell what the main IC is, but I'd be curious to find out - I bet we could put one of these together much cheaper. It would be interesting to put one on a CAN sniffer and see exactly what it's doing.

Either way, glad it works! Now hopefully another CIC will come on ebay (I almost bought the one you have in your car!)
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Nice review! Thanks! Those two 8 Pin ICs on the right are most likely two of these:

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/TJA1050.pdf

Tough to tell what the main IC is, but I'd be curious to find out - I bet we could put one of these together much cheaper. It would be interesting to put one on a CAN sniffer and see exactly what it's doing.

Either way, glad it works! Now hopefully another CIC will come on ebay (I almost bought the one you have in your car!)
There are two sets available on eBay right now, but it is not clear if they are USA.

Good job on this hardware solution...
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There are two sets available on eBay right now, but it is not clear if they are USA.

Good job on this hardware solution...
there's these two but they're both Euro.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=170499017105

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Nice review! Thanks! Those two 8 Pin ICs on the right are most likely two of these:

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/TJA1050.pdf

Tough to tell what the main IC is, but I'd be curious to find out - I bet we could put one of these together much cheaper. It would be interesting to put one on a CAN sniffer and see exactly what it's doing.

Either way, glad it works! Now hopefully another CIC will come on ebay (I almost bought the one you have in your car!)
Close, but it is actually this version of the chip.

http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCA82C250.pdf
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What kind of Voice Control was in this particular MY2010 CIC?
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What kind of Voice Control was in this particular MY2010 CIC?
I'm not too sure exactly how to answer that.

The CIC's date of manufacture week 35/09 should mean that it supports the new 'One shot destination entry' and 'Vocal music search' which became available around Sept 09, but I have had no luck getting it to do either one.

For example when I say, Music -> Search it takes me to the correct menu then tells me to use the controller to find the track.
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I'm not too sure exactly how to answer that.

The CIC's date of manufacture week 35/09 should mean that it supports the new 'One shot destination entry' and 'Vocal music search' which became available around Sept 09, but I have had no luck getting it to do either one.

For example when I say, Music -> Search it takes me to the correct menu then tells me to use the controller to find the track.
That's what I thought... the Nuance VC was not implemented in MY2010 as announced.
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There are two sets available on eBay right now, but it is not clear if they are USA.

Good job on this hardware solution...
You guys are a lot better at this than I am!

Theoretically, I think the "euro" version can be made USA with just some simple coding, but I'm not 100% sure?

Edit: and I guess I wouldn't be able to use the hardware solution, since it would have the ECE maps preloaded. Guess I'll wait for a USA one.
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If i have a Feb 07 built car - do I need to upgrade the TCU for this retrofit? any other special cables (beside the 6FL i plan to add)?
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If i have a Feb 07 built car - do I need to upgrade the TCU for this retrofit? any other special cables (beside the 6FL i plan to add)?
I forgot to tell you you would need to change your TCU with the MULF in order to install the 6FL...
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I forgot to tell you you would need to change your TCU with the MULF in order to install the 6FL...
The MULF replaces the TCU?
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The MULF replaces the TCU?
I better stop posting today Too much work
The TCU and ULF work in parallel...
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