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      06-22-2010, 08:39 AM   #903
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You forgot about one fact: how you'll update map in this CIC?
For a couple hundred less, who cares? 2009 should be fine for most people. I was running 2006 maps up until a month or so ago.
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For a couple hundred less, who cares? 2009 should be fine for most people. I was running 2006 maps up until a month or so ago.
In North America? May be. I looking for BMW Road Map Premium 2009-2 NA. This map does not even have 3D-objects. In Europe you have most CIC with 2008-2 which haven't this thing to. And the one way to get it - it is update.
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In North America? May be. I looking for BMW Road Map Premium 2009-2 NA. This map does not even have 3D-objects. In Europe you have most CIC with 2008-2 which haven't this thing to. And the one way to get it - it is update.
The 2009-1 NA map is 12GB and the 2010 is almost 23GB.
Judge for yourself.
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The 2009-1 NA map is 12GB and the 2010 is almost 23GB.
Judge for yourself.
Great. Actually, I said as much.
Patrick you represent Belarusian suppliers in the U.S. market ?)))) http://bmwshop.by/
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Great. Actually, I said as much.
Patrick you represent Belarusian suppliers in the U.S. market ?)))) http://bmwshop.by/
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You forgot about one fact: how you'll update map in this CIC?
I havn't tried it yet, but I would just submit the VIN number from the donor car and use this to generate the FSC code when placing the order for the map disk. For this to work assumes that the FSC authorization for the map disks is done solely by the CIC.

When I tried the 2010 maps in my CCC there were roads in my area that had been there for 3 years and still were not on the 2010 map disks, so I am in no hurry to update to the 2010 maps at the current time.

Currently I'm more concerned with how to upgrade the CIC's firmware.
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In North America? May be. I looking for BMW Road Map Premium 2009-2 NA. This map does not even have 3D-objects. In Europe you have most CIC with 2008-2 which haven't this thing to. And the one way to get it - it is update.
What about the Voice Recognition FSC? Can you get it?
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I havn't tried it yet, but I would just submit the VIN number from the donor car and use this to generate the FSC code when placing the order for the map disk. For this to work assumes that the FSC authorization for the map disks is done solely by the CIC.

When I tried the 2010 maps in my CCC there were roads in my area that had been there for 3 years and still were not on the 2010 map disks, so I am in no hurry to update to the 2010 maps at the current time.

Currently I'm more concerned with how to upgrade the CIC's firmware.
So long as you have the files, I'd imagine you could do it with winkfp "on the bench"?
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You forgot about one fact: how you'll update map in this CIC?

I can help to make update and as to do it further 2010 2011 2012. This not problem
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I can help to make update and as to do it further 2010 2011 2012. This not problem
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For $$, like usual. So much for sharing information. It's sad.
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For $$, like usual. So much for sharing information. It's sad.
I'm not bothered so much about sharing the information, sooner or later we are going to find it. My problem is the stupid teasing like we are kids...
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Deep down, I was hoping this CIC emulator would interrupt the necessary FSC for the newer maps too.. I guess the map FSC is different...or is it?

..and yes, WinKFP should be able to upgrade the CIC firmware. Question is, will it work on a car without D-Can such as my 9/06. (I'm assuming it will)
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Deep down, I was hoping this CIC emulator would interrupt the necessary FSC for the newer maps too.. I guess the map FSC is different...or is it?

..and yes, WinKFP should be able to upgrade the CIC firmware. Question is, will it work on a car without D-Can such as my 9/06. (I'm assuming it will)
In theory, the CIC is the one asking for the activation code and not the car. The emulator takes care of the car talking to the CIC. So as long as you have the VIN coded into the CIC you may be fine loading maps with the activation code based on that VIN.

Of course, somebody has to try it to confirm it.
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In theory, the CIC is the one asking for the activation code and not the car. The emulator takes care of the car talking to the CIC. So as long as you have the VIN coded into the CIC you may be fine loading maps with the activation code based on that VIN.

Of course, somebody has to try it to confirm it.
It is very expensive method as it is necessary to buy updating for an overall cost
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It is very expensive method as it is necessary to buy updating for an overall cost
Well, the activation codes will cost money anyways unless there's a new hack to update maps without paying for them, correct?
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In theory, the CIC is the one asking for the activation code and not the car. The emulator takes care of the car talking to the CIC. So as long as you have the VIN coded into the CIC you may be fine loading maps with the activation code based on that VIN.

Of course, somebody has to try it to confirm it.
Correct, there are a short series of packets which send the vehicle's VIN to the CIC upon startup.
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The emulator takes care of the car talking to the CIC. So as long as you have the VIN coded into the CIC you may be fine loading maps with the activation code based on that VIN.

Of course, somebody has to try it to confirm it.
I've never used WinkFP, but if someone can give me some guidance on how I can change the VIN number in the CIC then I may give it a shot next month with the 2010 maps.

In theory if it does work then there is no reason why you couldn't buy the FSC code and then write that 1 VIN number to many CIC's for use with the emulator.

But that's a project for next month since I've spent way toooo much on my car this month with my water pump just dying on me.
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Deep down, I was hoping this CIC emulator would interrupt the necessary FSC for the newer maps too.. I guess the map FSC is different...or is it?

..and yes, WinKFP should be able to upgrade the CIC firmware. Question is, will it work on a car without D-Can such as my 9/06. (I'm assuming it will)
Probably not, unless you just connect the DCAN interface directly to the CIC (outside the car) which you should be able to do.


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I've never used WinkFP, but if someone can give me some guidance on how I can change the VIN number in the CIC then I may give it a shot next month with the 2010 maps.

In theory if it does work then there is no reason why you couldn't buy the FSC code and then write that 1 VIN number to many CIC's for use with the emulator.

But that's a project for next month since I've spent way toooo much on my car this month with my water pump just dying on me.
Great idea. I think you can do it with Tool32 - but I'm not sure, I've never done it....I know it was possible with other ECUs. Of course, the next problem is loading the FSC into the CIC - which a few of the guys above know how to do, but are unwilling to share.
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I've never used WinkFP, but if someone can give me some guidance on how I can change the VIN number in the CIC then I may give it a shot next month with the 2010 maps.

In theory if it does work then there is no reason why you couldn't buy the FSC code and then write that 1 VIN number to many CIC's for use with the emulator.

But that's a project for next month since I've spent way toooo much on my car this month with my water pump just dying on me.

If you use Winkfp, navigation in yours CIC will cease to work.
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Deep down, I was hoping this CIC emulator would interrupt the necessary FSC for the newer maps too.. I guess the map FSC is different...or is it?

..and yes, WinKFP should be able to upgrade the CIC firmware. Question is, will it work on a car without D-Can such as my 9/06. (I'm assuming it will)
For updating CIC it is necessary to use Winkfp + interface ICOM

Any other interface kill CIC.


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If you update CIC - navigation will cease to work, it will need to be activated anew.
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