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      08-29-2008, 06:27 PM   #45
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I was the one with Toyota Camry from Kentucky and trust me after 3 years of ownership car had big problems with ABS,etc. Just right after the warranty expired. I just got rid of that junk.
All cars will have their problem.

On another note, many feel Honda/Acura can build quality vehicles. When Acura released the 5AT in the TL/CL and later the MDX it was the biggest point of failure. The interesting point is that the 5AT was the only component assembled in Japan. The rest was from the USA and Canada with final vehicle assembly in the US.
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      08-29-2008, 06:39 PM   #46
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The question is whether some of the savings will be transferred to the consumer.
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      08-29-2008, 06:40 PM   #47
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Yup, there goes BMW... good I have another reason to move on to Porsches
i agree america cant build shit its bad enough they got south africa making cars, nothing like a german and a wrench!
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i agree america cant build shit its bad enough they got south africa making cars, nothing like a german and a wrench!
Brilliant statement considering who builds the majority of commercial aircraft.
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Tell that to all the Toyota owners who get there cars out of Kentucky and still constantly rank as some of the best built most reliable cars in the world.

Its not where the car is built (well maybe in China), it is how it is designed and the equipment used to build them.

GM makes crap because the cars were designed like junk, not because of the workers (sure they may be a bit slower).

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Completely agreed.

There are very good workers in the US, as well as in many other countries. (I have worked in US and Europe). Similarly, stupidity is pretty well spread across countries as well, including Germany. GM makes junk cars all over the world...
The culture and philosophy of the company is what makes the difference.

Japanese automakers build cars in the US, Lexus has a plant in Ontario I believe. Are there more problems on the X5s? Do they have the fuel pump issues?

I personally don't care where it is built. I would like to do ED on the next one though.


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Brilliant statement considering who builds the majority of commercial aircraft.
Actually, a lot of Airbus are manufactured in Toulouse, France.


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Actually, a lot of Airbus are manufactured in Toulouse, France.
Airbus, yes. But not Boeing, Lockheed, etc. The ones many of us fly in often.
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Actually, a lot of Airbus are manufactured in Toulouse, France.


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I think what he means is most planes in service are Boeing aircraft

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There are around 4,867 Airbus aircraft in service... Airbus products are still outnumbered 6 to 1 by in-service Boeings (there are over 5,000 Boeing 737s alone in service).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus#...on_with_Boeing
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I personally don't care where it is built. I would like to do ED on the next one though.
Yeah, that's the part of this that I find most interesting. I'm sure that BMW will preserve the ED program since many 3-series will still be built in Germany (they're not shifting ALL production to the states). I just wonder if there will be a price premium (versus the discount) if this change goes into effect.
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I think what he means is most planes in service are Boeing aircraft
Not to mention Airbus uses P&W and GE engines.
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I state to BMW right now, I'll take my 45k to 50K to another manufacture if BMW switches the 335i to US production. There is no way I'm buying a 3 series made in the US. I hope I don't need to worry since I plan on doing an ED delivery.
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I state to BMW right now, I'll take my 45k to 50K to another manufacture if BMW switches the 335i to US production. There is no way I'm buying a 3 series made in the US. I hope I don't need to worry since I plan on doing an ED delivery.
I hope for you that they have fixed the fuel pump by then. People are still seeing failures.

Our US build 98 Mustang Convertible was the most reliable car we owned. Not a single repair in 70K miles but 1 set of tires and brakes and oil changes.
8 year depreciation 15k.

Our 07 335i has seen more of the dealer then I care for. Fuel pump, bucking, brake light failures, recall, new tires at 12k. 2 year deprecation 12k.

Not saying that I don't like the way e92 drives (ordered mine before it was even available)

Even the German's say that Mazda makes the most reliable car.

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/dauer...op_766433.html

Just bought an US build 08 Mazda6 for my daughter/bad weather car for me.

Many of the people building your "German" BMW are born and raised in Poland, Turkey etc.
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I think what he means is most planes in service are Boeing aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus#...on_with_Boeing
I know. I was teasing.

Background is Aerospace Engineering. I actually studied in Toulouse, France.

I was merely trying to illustrate my earlier post: it does not matter the country, the important point is the company's focus and culture.

In general, France does not really have a reputation for quality manufacturing (perhaps even less so that the US), more renown for fancy products.
Yet Airbus has managed to build a great business (arguably through state subsidies) and a pretty good safety reputation. Airbus manages to get around 50% market share of new large aircafts (depending on how you count). Airbus is actually pretty well run, with a strong culture. Workers (engineers and assembly men) are just are passionate about the products. That makes a difference.


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Funny how American's don't want American's building their cars. We say no to outsourcing but when a prestigious company like BMW thinks about importing jobs to America no one has any faith in our own workers. Yes, American cars in the past were a joke but that was because of the American companies that cared about nothing more than producing cheap cars for maximum profit. The old quantity over quality game.

To think that BMW would do anything like that or to suggest they would put a bunch of simpletons in their production lines to build their cars is a joke being played out in your minds. It's their reputation at stake; no company as renowned as BMW would commit consumer suicide. All they are trying to do is remain profitable, nothing more and nothing less. Believing that American's can't build a BMW just as good as anyone else is a farce.

Let the counter points commence...

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Hrmm, so domestic brands have 5 of the top 10 in the JD Power long term reliability test. Two GM brands beat BMW.


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You can't do ED with the M series.

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Just an add on the ONLY reason I would care if they made them in the US would be no more ED on the 3 series. But I assume the M's will still be made in Germany so I could go that route.
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You can't do ED with the M series.
I think you can; just no discount.
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I'll be happy with it if we get the kind of flexibility choosing options (hmmm.... say M-sport?) that euros get.
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You can't do ED with the M series.
You can you just dont get the nice discount.
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i like having the feeling of it being made in germany (even though thats where the parts are made) it still isnt complete
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The only possible good thing about BMW being built in US is quicker turnaround time for custom order cars...and of course it will create more employment opportunities.

However...I would prefer to have the car built in the country where the car and it's brand name evolved from. When you think of 'German built', you think of precision and accuracy. Not just the parts, but as a whole. It's just something that I, and most people would prefer.

If you could chose,

Would you prefer Sushi that was made in Japan or Sushi made in America

Would you prefer Italian food made in Italy or made in America?

Would you prefer Sony, Canon, Panasonic electronic made in Japan or America...

Etc etc...you get the idea.

I wouldn't say I would never buy a BMW that was made in America, but I would be less likely to buy if it was.
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The only possible good thing about BMW being built in US is quicker turnaround time for custom order cars...and of course it will create more employment opportunities.

However...I would prefer to have the car built in the country where the car and it's brand name evolved from. When you think of 'German built', you think of precision and accuracy. Not just the parts, but as a whole. It's just something that I, and most people would prefer.

If you could chose,

Would you prefer Sushi that was made in Japan or Sushi made in America

Would you prefer Italian food made in Italy or made in America?

Would you prefer Sony, Canon, Panasonic electronic made in Japan or America...

Etc etc...you get the idea.

I wouldn't say I would never buy a BMW that was made in America, but I would be less likely to buy if it was.
Actually I like the Italian food in the US much better then the Italian food when I went to Italy

But I get your point.
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