E90Post
 


MINHS Auto Care Center
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > V3 proving to be a great track tune



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-11-2008, 10:35 AM   #1
M3to335
Whats that smell?
 
M3to335's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Z06 Track / 135i Wifes Car
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 1,676
iTrader: (5)

V3 proving to be a great track tune

Just a quick bit of information. I know this forum is filled with track junkies all wondering the same thing I have been wondering. "What can I run without issues on the road course?" Nothing is more annoying than making a wonderful pass then going into limp mode!

So far, I've run V1, V2 and now for the first time V3 at VIR. One word.....awesome! Im running the low boost map right now on 93 and still eating most everything for lunch. No limps, no problems, just smooth power.

Now If I can get my BOV to stop blowing the hose clamps off, that would be wonderful!
M3to335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 10:39 AM   #2
scalbert
Major General
 
scalbert's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 E90 M3, '13 Volt, '08 Ody
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Woodstock, GA

Posts: 5,707
iTrader: (7)

scalbert is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 11:34 AM   #3
shiv@vishnu
Tuner
 
shiv@vishnu's Avatar
 
Drives: X1, 335i
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SF Bay, CA

Posts: 17,611
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
Just a quick bit of information. I know this forum is filled with track junkies all wondering the same thing I have been wondering. "What can I run without issues on the road course?" Nothing is more annoying than making a wonderful pass then going into limp mode!

So far, I've run V1, V2 and now for the first time V3 at VIR. One word.....awesome! Im running the low boost map right now on 93 and still eating most everything for lunch. No limps, no problems, just smooth power.

Now If I can get my BOV to stop blowing the hose clamps off, that would be wonderful!
Great to hear! It's nice to see lots of guys roadracing their v3'd cars these days. Brings a happy tear to my eye. Have you tried the latest beta maps that we posted a few days ago?

Cheers,
shiv
shiv@vishnu is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 12:44 PM   #4
down4it
Banned
 
Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SoCal

Posts: 1,743
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
Just a quick bit of information. I know this forum is filled with track junkies all wondering the same thing I have been wondering. "What can I run without issues on the road course?" Nothing is more annoying than making a wonderful pass then going into limp mode!

So far, I've run V1, V2 and now for the first time V3 at VIR. One word.....awesome! Im running the low boost map right now on 93 and still eating most everything for lunch. No limps, no problems, just smooth power.

Now If I can get my BOV to stop blowing the hose clamps off, that would be wonderful!
Go spend a couple bucks on T-Bolt clamps and you will not have an issue with that again... Hose clamps that come with the kits are pretty much garbage...
down4it is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 01:05 PM   #5
stressdoc
Moderator
 
stressdoc's Avatar
 
Drives: 335 E90 ZSP+
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: MO

Posts: 9,786
iTrader: (0)

How are your temperatures running?
__________________
My not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829
Quaife, BMW Perf & M3 suspension, V5, M-sport, ...
Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279
stressdoc is offline   Dominica
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 01:22 PM   #6
Riss Racing
Banned
 
Drives: E60 M5/E92 335/HUMMER H2
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Irvine, CA

Posts: 2,650
iTrader: (7)

Send a message via AIM to Riss Racing Send a message via Skype™ to Riss Racing
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
Just a quick bit of information. I know this forum is filled with track junkies all wondering the same thing I have been wondering. "What can I run without issues on the road course?" Nothing is more annoying than making a wonderful pass then going into limp mode!

So far, I've run V1, V2 and now for the first time V3 at VIR. One word.....awesome! Im running the low boost map right now on 93 and still eating most everything for lunch. No limps, no problems, just smooth power.

Now If I can get my BOV to stop blowing the hose clamps off, that would be wonderful!

Very cool! Great work Vishnu!
Riss Racing is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 02:25 PM   #7
M3to335
Whats that smell?
 
M3to335's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Z06 Track / 135i Wifes Car
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 1,676
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu View Post
Great to hear! It's nice to see lots of guys roadracing their v3'd cars these days. Brings a happy tear to my eye. Have you tried the latest beta maps that we posted a few days ago?

Cheers,
shiv
Id love to, but Im still running the non fuel, non dual relay hack job I made myself If Mr. Calbert can remember what goes where, I will fix it up to run the latest and greatest

Quote:
Originally Posted by down4it View Post
Go spend a couple bucks on T-Bolt clamps and you will not have an issue with that again... Hose clamps that come with the kits are pretty much garbage...
I agree 100%. I found out its a combination of problems that resulted in the rubber slipping off. 1) A years worth of oil was in there and 2) the DIY BOV doesnt have long enough flanges to clamp to. I bought some friction tape and it works fantastic now!

Quote:
Originally Posted by stressdoc View Post
How are your temperatures running?
Glad you asked, its running right at 250.

Also, a side note. There is another forum memeber that met up with me who is running an Turbo Tuner. In the past he has run JB and Procede products. His temps are also running the same. Both of us are limp free.

Im going to run this last "free" session with the high boost map. Lets see how that pans out.
M3to335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 02:28 PM   #8
scalbert
Major General
 
scalbert's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 E90 M3, '13 Volt, '08 Ody
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Woodstock, GA

Posts: 5,707
iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
If Mr. Calbert can remember what goes where, I will fix it up to run the latest and greatest
Thanks for the reminder. I have it out of the car right now also...
scalbert is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 02:33 PM   #9
shiv@vishnu
Tuner
 
shiv@vishnu's Avatar
 
Drives: X1, 335i
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SF Bay, CA

Posts: 17,611
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
Im going to run this last "free" session with the high boost map. Lets see how that pans out.
If you are going to run full boost in road racing environment, best to mix in some race gas. Otherwise you may generate too high of a charge temp for pump gas to support safety and consistently.

Cheers,
Shiv
shiv@vishnu is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-11-2008, 07:37 PM   #10
K335i
Private
 
K335i's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 E92 M3
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Redmond, WA

Posts: 59
iTrader: (0)

+1

V3 has been excellent at the track - smooth, powerful, and most importantly, trouble free. Well done.

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
Just a quick bit of information. I know this forum is filled with track junkies all wondering the same thing I have been wondering. "What can I run without issues on the road course?" Nothing is more annoying than making a wonderful pass then going into limp mode!

So far, I've run V1, V2 and now for the first time V3 at VIR. One word.....awesome! Im running the low boost map right now on 93 and still eating most everything for lunch. No limps, no problems, just smooth power.

Now If I can get my BOV to stop blowing the hose clamps off, that would be wonderful!
K335i is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 06:35 AM   #11
M3to335
Whats that smell?
 
M3to335's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Z06 Track / 135i Wifes Car
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 1,676
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu View Post
If you are going to run full boost in road racing environment, best to mix in some race gas. Otherwise you may generate too high of a charge temp for pump gas to support safety and consistently.

Cheers,
Shiv
You've mentioned that before, and I agree. I couldnt justify the @ track 105 octane prices so I only ran part of the last session on the high boost map. Figured if it limped out, I was heading home anyway But yes, Id definately recommend race gas for anyone planning to run a full session (or all day) with a high boost map.

Regardless, Im glad to report, high boost map worked lovely. On peak recall I saw just over 16psi max. Id imagine that was when running out 4th gear up to 145mph or so Oil temps rose about 5~10 degrees max over the low boost map.

I still cant keep up with the Advanced class 997T guys with full race setups. In the straights its not too bad but in the corners, Im getting destroyed. Its time to run some R comps and coils. (as if that will help my heavy ass car )
M3to335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 07:40 AM   #12
Nikos335i
Brigadier General
 
Nikos335i's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 B8 S4 & 2013 F30 328xi
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Montreal, Canada

Posts: 3,821
iTrader: (13)

Garage List
2012 Audi S4  [4.50]
2007 E90 335i  [4.50]
2011 Audi A4 Avant  [5.00]
Good to hear!

Might do an event before the winter nice to know!!

Been running limp mode free since install as well!
__________________
'12 B8 S4 Ice Silver on Black/Premium/DSG/Sport Diff/Nav/Carbon Inlays/19' Titanium Wheels/RS4 Grill/AWE exhaust/Alu Kreuz/H&R OE/Pagid RS19
'13 F30 328xi Sapphire Black/Coral Red/Sportline/gloss black with matte red/Style 397 18" wheels
gone: '07 E90 335i, Alpine White/Black with aluminum/sport/ steptronic/paddles/premium/Logic7
gone: '06 E61 530xi Sapphire Black/Black with aluminum/premium/panoramic sunroof/Logic7/PDC
Nikos335i is offline   Greece
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 10:59 AM   #13
SpiralOut
Captain
 
SpiralOut's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 M3
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 780
iTrader: (9)

Woo! That was fun. This was my first track day in the 335 and I had a blast. SSTT did pretty well out there too..... not as quick as the procede or JB2 I had before, but I was pretty impressed with it, especially in the higher rpms. After a few hard laps I thought I felt a little bit of hesitation in it, so I threw in a few gallons of 100 octane and that seemed to take care of it. High temp during the 30 min run was right around 250.

I agree with M3to335 though..... you can definitely tell these are heavy ass cars out there. We would need some pretty big suspension mods to keep up with the advanced/race setup guys through the curves. My car is stock with the exception of the SSTT and PS2's.
SpiralOut is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 12:11 PM   #14
leftcoastman
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Near some canyons

Posts: 1,710
iTrader: (1)

What run groups are you guys in?

I'm getting 285 oil temps with EASE when I run tracks at 2000ft elevation. That was with the stock oil cooler.

I bring a few 2.5 gallon cans full of unleaded 105 to the track. Yeah, I have to keep the sunroof open and blast the fan, otherwise I pass out, lol. You could also run NOS Off-road formula, which I've found to actually reduce timing retard (via data logging).

And coilovers and r-comps help, especially if you can get some camber up front. I'm within 2 seconds of a stock Z06 on a 2 minute track. Stock 911 and 911S have no chance.
leftcoastman is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 12:29 PM   #15
Lane
Several N54 cars, V1,3, V2.0.2, and V3.1
 
Drives: N54s
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK DE GR SW

Posts: 778
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3to335 View Post
I still cant keep up with the Advanced class 997T guys with full race setups. In the straights its not too bad but in the corners, Im getting destroyed. Its time to run some R comps and coils. (as if that will help my heavy ass car )
The weight difference is 55 pounds...so I guess that makes 997tt a heavy ass car too ... especially since it's not as balanced having the most of its weight just there in the ass side
Lane is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-12-2008, 02:16 PM   #16
M3to335
Whats that smell?
 
M3to335's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Z06 Track / 135i Wifes Car
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 1,676
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by leftcoastman View Post
What run groups are you guys in?

I'm getting 285 oil temps with EASE when I run tracks at 2000ft elevation. That was with the stock oil cooler.

I bring a few 2.5 gallon cans full of unleaded 105 to the track. Yeah, I have to keep the sunroof open and blast the fan, otherwise I pass out, lol. You could also run NOS Off-road formula, which I've found to actually reduce timing retard (via data logging).

And coilovers and r-comps help, especially if you can get some camber up front. I'm within 2 seconds of a stock Z06 on a 2 minute track. Stock 911 and 911S have no chance.
Spiralout is running novice. I was running solo intermediate. The last run of the day was a free-for-all. Everyone was out there!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lane View Post
The weight difference is 55 pounds...so I guess that makes 997tt a heavy ass car too ... especially since it's not as balanced having the most of its weight just there in the ass side
Nah, this was no stock 997tt The particular one I was talking about was gutted and setup as a "track car". My car gets groceries and takes Sunday drives
M3to335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2008, 03:21 PM   #17
nebz
Captain
 
nebz's Avatar
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: nyc

Posts: 684
iTrader: (6)

lol my bov hose kept on popping off too.. once i switch to the new maps.. it start poppin off everytime i step on it..
nebz is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2008, 03:23 PM   #18
cn555ic
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
cn555ic's Avatar
 
Drives: 917-939-4980
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York

Posts: 18,255
iTrader: (5)

Send a message via Yahoo to cn555ic
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebz View Post
lol my bov hose kept on popping off too.. once i switch to the new maps.. it start poppin off everytime i step on it..
get rid of the bov already and get some Forge DVs....It will save you time of fixing the the piping everytime you WOT...Can be embarrasing when your racing someone!!!lol
cn555ic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2008, 03:26 PM   #19
nebz
Captain
 
nebz's Avatar
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: nyc

Posts: 684
iTrader: (6)

lol i was actually plannin to get rid of it .. and get some forge DVs lol..
nebz is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2008, 03:41 PM   #20
cn555ic
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
cn555ic's Avatar
 
Drives: 917-939-4980
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York

Posts: 18,255
iTrader: (5)

Send a message via Yahoo to cn555ic
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebz View Post
lol i was actually plannin to get rid of it .. and get some forge DVs lol..
Yeah they work well as far as holding boost and releasing it...you won't hear tooo much of the whooosh sound though!! Yo the new V3 maps are working great!!!
cn555ic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2008, 03:58 PM   #21
M3to335
Whats that smell?
 
M3to335's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Z06 Track / 135i Wifes Car
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC

Posts: 1,676
iTrader: (5)

BOV works fantastic. Im not getting rid of it due to a slipping hose, thats silly. The hose issue is 100% resolved now.

Nebz, pick up 80 cents worth of friction tape (looks like sandpaper with sticky backing) and run it around the flange. There is no way in hell its coming off after that.
M3to335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:20 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST