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      11-11-2008, 12:42 AM   #23
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Glad to help you out! If you need anything else or want any trick mods, please let me know!

BTW, in the strut tower brace kit I supply, you won't have an issue with the studs not clearing the cowling(if you do, it's very minor)as I supply the correct number of bolts and have the brace pre-assembled to eliminate any confusion where to use the studs with nuts and bolts.

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Cool, well I actually got the idea from you before I installed it becasue you were saying how the OEM studs hit the cowling so I picked up the bolts before hand.
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...First off, the most important thing that I need to say is that if you install the wishbone links, you need to make sure that the same shop that installs these performs alignments as well...

Craig: Great writeup as usual! What kind of alignment numbers do you go with? What's a good shop for alignment around here?
Thanks!
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When you did the alignment, what specs did you ask them to duplicate: the M3 specs or the 335i specs?

I also think your aligment pin is removed, correct?
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I believe that the only adjustment for the front is the toe.
So, the alignment was done with the 335 specs.
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Nice work Mr.5

enjoy your track session with these setup...
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Nice work Mr.5

enjoy your track session with these setup...
I know I will.
I went to the strip the other day and had to slow down quick after the 1/4 mile to make the turn. When I made the turn, I was still doing something like 40 and I swear I was on fricken rails and the steering wheel didn't even budge!

I am so stoked!!
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Mr. 5, nice up-grade.
I would love to know what would be like by just installing the Tension link only without upgrading the Wishbone link. Too bad you would not know cause you installed all parts at one time. Anyway what would be your guess?
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Mr. 5, nice up-grade.
I would love to know what would be like by just installing the Tension link only without upgrading the Wishbone link. Too bad you would not know cause you installed all parts at one time. Anyway what would be your guess?
Better feedback from your suspension. Alignment caster setting stay more or less where they are. Better stability under braking and cornering.
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I believe that the only adjustment for the front is the toe.
So, the alignment was done with the 335 specs.
That is partially correct. Given that the lower arm is longer with the M3 version, you have systematically added more negative camber even though the car was aligned with "335" specs.
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That is partially correct. Given that the lower arm is longer with the M3 version, you have systematically added more negative camber even though the car was aligned with "335" specs.
I know, and agree.
I was saying that they cannot adjust the camber although I added negative camber.

What I'm saying is that the toe was only adjusted and was adjusted to 335 specs, not M3 specs. I don't even know what the M3 specs are as far as the toe is concerned. They could be the same.
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I know, and agree.
I was saying that they cannot adjust the camber although I added negative camber.

What I'm saying is that the toe was only adjusted and was adjusted to 335 specs, not M3 specs. I don't even know what the M3 specs are as far as the toe is concerned. They could be the same.
I'm abit confused about the camber now...so what's the front camber after the alignment? And did you remove the top pin for more camber?
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I'm abit confused about the camber now...so what's the front camber after the alignment? And did you remove the top pin for more camber?
First off, I have no idea with what you are talking about with the "top pin".
Will you explain what you mean by this?

The camber in both the 335 and the M3 is fixed.
But, the wishbone for the M3 is longer than the 335 wishbone, so when I installed the M3 wishbone, it made the bottom part of the tire stick out farther than the top.
The M3 wishbone added negative camber.

When I got the alignment done, the alignment guy said that I was still in 335 spec, but barely.
The camber for the front should be between -.9 to -.2 degrees.

When my alignment was done after my BMW Performance Suspension install, my camber was measured at -.3 degrees.
The guy at the shop said that my camber was around -.9 degrees after the M3 wishbones were installed.
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I'm abit confused about the camber now...so what's the front camber after the alignment? And did you remove the top pin for more camber?
There is an easier way to gain more camber, up to -0.75.
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First off, I have no idea with what you are talking about with the "top pin".
Will you explain what you mean by this?
I'm not too sure about the technical details, but Orb told me there's a pin at the top of the strut perch or something that can be remove to gain more camber. But when I had my alignment done, the guy told me it's not safe and he's not responsible for whatever happens, so I didnt ask him to remove it.

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There is an easier way to gain more camber, up to -0.75.
why not just spill the beans!? or are you just talking about the M3 wishbone?
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I'm not too sure about the technical details, but Orb told me there's a pin at the top of the strut perch or something that can be remove to gain more camber. But when I had my alignment done, the guy told me it's not safe and he's not responsible for whatever happens, so I didnt ask him to remove it.



why not just spill the beans!? or are you just talking about the M3 wishbone?
I don't need to.

Mr. 5 already mentioned all the details...please scroll up and read his thread.
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Mr. 5, I think the price of the wishbone link and tension link that you quoted should be the other way around.
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Mr. 5, I think the price of the wishbone link and tension link that you quoted should be the other way around.
Just a slight mistake on his part!
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If anyone in So Cal needs a set of the tension rod kits, I'll be in the LA area delivering a couple of kits, I plan to take an extra kit with me.

Please PM.
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Mr. 5, I think the price of the wishbone link and tension link that you quoted should be the other way around.
Fixed!
Man, you guys are something.
Do you guys read the thread over and over just to find a mistake or something?

Just get the parts and put them on your car already!
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Fixed!
Man, you guys are something.
Do you guys read the thread over and over just to find a mistake or something?

Just get the parts and put them on your car already!
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