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      11-24-2008, 05:06 PM   #23
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Thanks people, tuesday is testday so I will feel the difference.
I however found one tuner who tunes both the MT & AT to 360 HP however the AT has 480 NM and the MT 520............. guess the AT is not as strong as the MT and he therefor limits the torque on the AT.

I will give him a call tomorrow to ask him why.
Is it Rica Engineering that tune 335i:s?
They are represented i Sweden.
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      11-24-2008, 05:12 PM   #24
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Yeo Rica makes two versions for the 335, one for the MT, one for the AT.

Rica does a lot with Volvo.
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      11-24-2008, 06:24 PM   #25
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Personally I think it makes more sense to the spend the money on mods, track days etc instead of an automatic gearbox, but that's my preference

also, are you really going to tune the car to the upper limit for the drivetrain's specification? you do realize that the difference between production output and maximum spec for the part is there to be a safety margin for long term durability right?
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I just picked up an 06 325 with the steptronic. I've been driving manual cars since the late 80s and thought I was ready for a nice auto since I have another car for track events. After about 3 days, I realized I should have gotten the manual. There is a more "connected" feel with a manual transmission that is hard to explain unless you are really used to one. The car is very nice otherwise, but I do miss the extra sensitivity you have with the gas pedal, and hitting that perfect heal-toe downshift setting up a turn, and rolling back on the throttle mid-corner, and not having to wait for the automatic to make up its mind.

I'm kind of screwed now since I already bought the car, but if you are on the fence, make sure you can drive both for a while before you make your decision.
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      11-27-2008, 08:47 PM   #27
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manual no doubt, at is for pussies...sorry
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It depends on what driver you are. If you are a spirited driver, it would be dumb to pick an auto, as other people have mentioned its a different feeling, you can do things on manual that you cannot do on auto if you are a driving enthusiast, for example using the heel and toe technique to accelerate after you enter a turn. Luckily i have access to three transmissions because of my brothers and my family. There are days where I have driven SMG, Manual, and Auto and they all give you a different feeling. Again my conclusion is manual is for the driving enthusiast, auto is for the everyday driver really. For some people auto can get boring, and for others manual is hard and it is annoying. Personally I like manual on a sport sedan/coupe, of course no one would like a clutch pedal on a 7 series lol
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manual no doubt, at is for pussies...sorry

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Most days I wish I would have purchased MT.....but there are times when I'm sitting in stop/go traffic I'm glad I have AT and the step is a reasonable compromise.....but not in corners. If I were doing it all over again I'd get MT......my 2...
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manual no doubt, at is for pussies...sorry
Oh yeah cranking your left foot up and down and grabbing a stick is what really makes you a man. Get a life idiot.
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If you are thinking of going with a 328 I would get the manual. Straight from bmwusa website, the MT 328i is .6 sec quicker to 60 than AT 328i. The difference for 335i AT vs MT is only .2 sec.

The gain in performance from MT in the 328i puts it exactly in between an AT 335 and an AT 328i. I also think the short shifter accessory is worth every penny --- with it you can easily get same or better times the pros record without much practice.
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no straight forward answer to this:

If you want fastest accel times from standstill & you know when the light goes green: Automatic. No like for like with a manual/DCT here. The automatic will be at load while the manual/DCTis basically at idle

Anything else is much driver performance. An automatic will be real quick in taking best gear ratios. So will be a DCT. But an automatic won't know what kind of turn you going into and might select wrong gears for coming out. With a DCT you can direct it. Manual selection of gears on an automatic is a waste of time in my view, at least on the cars I've driven. There's simply no direct response

So my vote for best transmission is DCT (although I have a manual and like it), yet for reasons wayyyyyy beyond me you can't order it on a European 335i M-sport? Configurator throws it out.
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no straight forward answer to this:

If you want fastest accel times from standstill & you know when the light goes green: Automatic. No like for like with a manual/DCT here. The automatic will be at load while the manual/DCTis basically at idle

Anything else is much driver performance. An automatic will be real quick in taking best gear ratios. So will be a DCT. But an automatic won't know what kind of turn you going into and might select wrong gears for coming out. With a DCT you can direct it. Manual selection of gears on an automatic is a waste of time in my view, at least on the cars I've driven. There's simply no direct response

So my vote for best transmission is DCT (although I have a manual and like it), yet for reasons wayyyyyy beyond me you can't order it on a European 335i M-sport? Configurator throws it out.

All you have to do is put it in M mode and shift yourself. There is no difference in selecting gears between the step and the dct, the dct just do it faster.
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ive got a 335i with step, and its fantastic.

have driven manuals all my life (12+ years) and never thought Id own an auto, but damn, its so much easier in traffic and when I need to pedal it I just slip it into sports and the gears hold right up till redline.

Couldnt ask for a better auto, and dont regret the choice over manual.
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Thanks people,

Got the AT, my first in 20 years.....a 335 AT and love it.
Put the beast in sportmode and she goes al the way to readline
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Thanks people,

Got the AT, my first in 20 years.....a 335 AT and love it.
Put the beast in sportmode and she goes al the way to readline
good-luck.

I just noticed you are in the Netherlands. I was in Amsterdam in September and saw a good friend of mine who lives in Geleen (near Maastricht).
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I had a manual s2k for my auto 335i. i got auto because i didnt feel like waiting to order a car and i had to get one asap so i didnt wait for a manual. Don't listen to the whole "OHh it has paddle shifters".. if ur a manual owner, the paddle shifters are just another boring gimmick. I'll never get another automatic car. go with the manual, ull never regret it due to u being so accustomed by being used to it rather than wishing u can change ur auto car to manual. trust. g/l on ur decision
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The biggest problem with AT for me is a sense of not knowing what the car is doing without looking at the dash or the shift console. MT is easy, you never not know what gear you are in. AT is straighforward for the average driver under light duty applications. Its only when you hit the track you begin to ask your self, how many times did I click "-", were the last 3 clicks going in to the turn accepted by the software, how many times did I hit "-" again ??? etc etc.

MT you know just where you are from the position of your hand on the shifter. You know exactly what power is being applied to the wheels from the position of your feet. All in all the additional interaction gives you more of a feel of being an extension of the car rather than going along with the car.

I guess there is learning curve to affectively use something that is more automated that I would not be very good at for high performance driving. And I am not talking about the kind of driving that you drop a gear here or there. So in a sense when push comes to shove, I am a better driver with MT than I could ever be with AT. The AT convience factor isn't for me. I am not old enough to appreciate it.

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