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      05-08-2006, 03:36 PM   #1
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Any qualms on being the first to get a new 335i? Turbo reliable?

A lot of people have brought up the idea that the first run of the new 335i engine may have some quirks... I counter by saying I think BMW has extensively tested their cars before they release them, and I haven't seen any kind of major recalls from BMW in the past several years except for the beginnings of iDrive in the 7 series.

Any misgivings about the new engine? Do you think it'll as refined as we hope it to be?
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      05-08-2006, 03:37 PM   #2
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Do you remember the plight of the 2002 S54s?
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      05-08-2006, 03:47 PM   #3
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I remember the S54 issue. Did BMW step up and offer 100K warranty on ALL that were affected?
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      05-08-2006, 03:53 PM   #4
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Twin turbos in gasoline engine is a new production concept for BMW. I would wait a year or two.

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You might miss out on some new colors in the first few months as well as encounter some minor issues (rattling,software updates,etc) I don't really think you would have any major engine issues even though it's a new production concept but thats just my opinion
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      05-08-2006, 04:01 PM   #6
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i took delivery of my car in the first shipment into australia of e46 323 in 1998 and my e90 325 without issue.

i agree that the twin turbo petrol cars are "new" for bmw, but so too is the glorious n52 engine, the 6 speed tranny and the continental braking system in my 325.

thankfully, all work perfectly.

i would not be concerned with buying the first of the 335 if it was suited to my requirements. one can strike a lemon at any stage of a car's production life.
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the turbo's seem to work fine in diesel applications...........
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      05-08-2006, 04:55 PM   #8
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Don't worry man, you'll be fine. The 3 accounts for 60% of BMW's total sales...they're not going to release a lemon.
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I've stated this before in other threads and it applies here... It would be a PR nightmare if the turbo is anything but trouble free. Any problems and American consumers will run away from BMW turbos and not look back. Since FI engines are BMWs future they have a lot riding on this new engine including the confidence it can instill in the American consumer about gasoline turbos from BMW (other countries have diesel BMW turbos so they would be more understanding of issues with BMW turbo technology). I wonder if this long coupe release has anything to do with making sure the turbo is flawless before it is rolled out.
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      05-08-2006, 05:02 PM   #10
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I will have the first one at my dealer...Im not expecting anything less than perfection...we shall see
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      05-08-2006, 06:37 PM   #11
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I have no qualms. The E90 is tested. The E92 shares many parts. The bi-turbo is conservative. Great car, rock solid. Expect to go through a lot of rfs if you turn off DSC.
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I remember the S54 issue. Did BMW step up and offer 100K warranty on ALL that were affected?
I remember the S54 issue too, and like no1sportz said, they offered 100k warranty on those initial cars affected way back then. Also, the S54 engine I seem to remember winning Engine of the Year.

Here you go, 5 years in a row. http://www.ukintpress.com/engineofth...nners/3_4.html

Also, the E92 does share some parts with the E90, so I'm hoping some of any potential kinks were avoided back in the E90's first year. I'm not really worried about it, I think the engine will be incredible and if not, I have 4 years and 50k miles to find out otherwise. Based on BMW history though, engines are one of their strong suits, so I'm not really worried at all.
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I never buy a car the first year out with a new engine. It's just too risky. Besides, manufactures often add some cool stuff for 2nd/3rd year production Plus you'd get killed on the resale value if the model year turns out to have problems.
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      05-08-2006, 07:44 PM   #14
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German engineering is the best in the world. Rest assured the car will be 100% mechnically reliable. But...considering that most of the technology in the car is now computer software driven....just remember these are the guys that released the iDrive.

Sure over the years its working better, but my last two M5's where complete nightmares when dealing with the sound system or navigation.....mechnically pure perfection, but those Germans just haven't figured out the software side of things yet. I would give them a year or two to do some software patches first.

This might shed some light on the problem:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...an+coast+guard
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      05-08-2006, 07:48 PM   #15
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I'll be an early adopter too and simply can't wait till I can order one. I remember the E46 "light sterring" issue from the mid cycle change and BMW offered a retrofit. I'm convinced they'll be strong units and any tarnish on the bread and butter of the marque will be in their best interest to address promptly and completely. Just my opinion, though, and subjected to the court of E90Post.
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On the other hand....I can't stand getting beaten by "lesser" cars, therefore I will take any pain associated with a first year car. Build this as an E91 (sport wagon) sleeper and put me on the list....I'll even pay a premium!
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Quote:
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the turbo's seem to work fine in diesel applications...........
Apples to oranges because for one, the loading situation is much different in diesels, and also the exhaust gas temperature in diesels is like one-third that of petrol/gas engines. So just from that alone, getting a bulletproof petrol turbo engine out the door is a significantly greater challenge. BMW stated that they're using a special material in the turbos to make it resistant to temps as high as 1050-1900C so that they wouldn't have to run a rich mixture to cool the EGT and help the turbo be more reliable. Doing that also saves gas since it lets them run a leaner mixture. Hopefully they got it right.

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I've stated this before in other threads and it applies here... It would be a PR nightmare if the turbo is anything but trouble free. Any problems and American consumers will run away from BMW turbos and not look back.
You're right. I would love to buy an E60 535i, but if I see people having lots of issues here I'm going to just forget it and go with a 530i. Hopefully the engines will be bulletproof right out the door and nobody will have any problems.
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A lot of people have brought up the idea that the first run of the new 335i engine may have some quirks... I counter by saying I think BMW has extensively tested their cars before they release them, and I haven't seen any kind of major recalls from BMW in the past several years except for the beginnings of iDrive in the 7 series.

Any misgivings about the new engine? Do you think it'll as refined as we hope it to be?
My 96 328 Had a lot of problems, brake rotors, alarm, radio, clutch, etc.. That was the first year of the 328.

My 01 330 had many problems, brake rotors, control arm bushings, AC oder, sunroof module, steering rack, clutch. That was the first year of the 330 and I had the car less than 2 years

So as you can see, many issues in the first model year.
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      05-08-2006, 08:48 PM   #19
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Quote:
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My 96 328 Had a lot of problems, brake rotors, alarm, radio, clutch, etc.. That was the first year of the 328.

My 01 330 had many problems, brake rotors, control arm bushings, AC oder, sunroof module, steering rack, clutch. That was the first year of the 330 and I had the car less than 2 years

So as you can see, many issues in the first model year.
And my 06 325 has not had a single problem in 8 months of ownership. Every e90 owner here is a first-year E90 owner and there are plenty that haven't had any problems.
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      05-08-2006, 09:12 PM   #21
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I tried to post the German coast guard video a couple weeks ago, but it's just over the 2mb limit...
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      05-09-2006, 07:44 AM   #22
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u mean the first to have a 335 or just buying the car in its first year? if you are talking about having the first 335 on ur block, then u r prolly paying a high premium for getting it early. ie xbox 360 selling for $2000.
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