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      06-18-2006, 05:03 PM   #23
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Mac! Your sheet looked like my old vtec ones before I installed the Apexi Vtec controller. Have you considered getting a VAFC to smooth out that spike at 6K?

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The trunk was the reason they would not let us take any photos so yeah we noticed.
Thats why they wouldnt let us take pics??? . So they dont think well go do it to our own??? I got an appointment to do it tomorrow Ill take my own pics of my own in a couple days itll be a clone to TEchnics E90 but without them sick ass wheels!
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Numbers may seem low, but . . .

"The difference between flywheel horsepower and rear-wheel horsepower will vary from vehicle to vehicle, depending on many factors," adds Gale Banks Engineering, "but we find that rear-wheel horsepower is usually between 18 percent and 25 percent less than flywheel horsepower."

Based on this, I calculated expectations under OPTIMAL CONDITIONS for rear wheel horsepower for the 2006 E90:

325i
FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER: 215 hp @ 6250 rpm
Rear WHEEL (18% less): 176.3 hp calculated off factory numbers
Rear WHEEL (25% less): 161 hp calculated off factory numbers

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FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER: 255 hp @ 6600 RPM
Rear WHEEL (18% less): 209.1 hp calculated off factory numbers
Rear WHEEL (25% less): 191.25 hp calculated off factory numbers

Run conditions were less than ideal (hot day, increased humidity). Yet, regardless of this, our dyno runs were still generally on par and occasionally better than what would be expected as calculated from factory specs within statistical margin of error.

So the numbers were right on the money.

I have never heard of a modern auto (exsp. 6 speed one) that has a 25% loss. 4-wheel drive cars are typical of such a loss but not on a RWD car. I am coming from an Infiniti G35 sedan which was an 03 model (260 hp) and I had exhaust intake that i am pretty sure was putting down 220+to the wheels. The car was auto and ran a 14.500@97.8mph. Stock for stock both auto my g35 was only rated 5hp more. I am a little sad to see sub 200RWHP for an auto 330i. I hope in the future we will have more dyno tests so I can get a feel for what the car really puts down.
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Thats why they wouldnt let us take pics??? . So they dont think well go do it to our own??? I got an appointment to do it tomorrow Ill take my own pics of my own in a couple days itll be a clone to TEchnics E90 but without them sick ass wheels!

hahahah....man you are crazy! Just don't post any pics and hurt their feelings......its like taking the wind out of their sail.
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I have never heard of a modern auto (exsp. 6 speed one) that has a 25% loss. 4-wheel drive cars are typical of such a loss but not on a RWD car. I am coming from an Infiniti G35 sedan which was an 03 model (260 hp) and I had exhaust intake that i am pretty sure was putting down 220+to the wheels. The car was auto and ran a 14.500@97.8mph. Stock for stock both auto my g35 was only rated 5hp more. I am a little sad to see sub 200RWHP for an auto 330i. I hope in the future we will have more dyno tests so I can get a feel for what the car really puts down.
Just because you never heard it, doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

Have you ever dynoed your G and just dont remember for "sure" what the dyno numbers were or are you just "pretty sure" your G was putting 220 whp because you have an accurate ass meter, or your friends/family have a similiar setup and they actually dynoed their car? Or are you a rags(Magazines) numbers expert?

Same question with the 1/4 time slip you posted.

Also, all 330 with steps that participated in this are real and what they put down was "real" too.

If you didnt already sell your G, maybe you should keep it?

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Why do you mention I should keep my G if I did not sell it yet? I have the BMW for a reason and am aware it is not the fastest car in the 1/4th and perfectly happy with that. And yes I have time slips of my car from the 1/4th, I have gone to the track about 5 times over the past 3 years and it runs 14.500@97.XX. As far as the Dynos they have been posted by others with the same setup all over the internet.

You mention all the 330i steps, are there going to be more then one to post the results? I am just trying to gather information and an avg # of what a step 330i puts down.

Oh and BTW, who the hell is Gale Banks Engineering?

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There were 3 330i steps...all did similarly....and all less than 330i manuals.

I am very happy with my car's performance........plus, it looks freaking hot with its new headlights...just look at that teaser!!

Cosmesis vs performance.............hahhaha, I am at a great happy medium!
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There were 3 330i steps...all did similarly....and all less than 330i manuals.

I am very happy with my car's performance........plus, it looks freaking hot with its new headlights...just look at that teaser!!

Cosmesis vs performance.............hahhaha, I am at a great happy medium!



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hahahah....man you are crazy! Just don't post any pics and hurt their feelings......its like taking the wind out of their sail.
I was already itching on that and I even mentioned it in a post a while back that it would make it look alot cleaner because of the ends keep coming up!
My body shop guy recommended it to me when he saw the ends were rising so They were not the only ones to think of that!
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I was already itching on that and I even mentioned it in a post a while back that it would make it look alot cleaner because of the ends keep coming up!
My body shop guy recommended it to me when he saw the ends were rising so They were not the only ones to think of that!

Dude! I know....those freaking ends just want to creep up....I will hold off on that for now. M5 wheels....
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I am coming from an Infiniti G35 sedan which was an 03 model (260 hp) and I had exhaust intake that i am pretty sure was putting down 220+to the wheels
Prove those results taken on a hot, humid day. No disrespect, but when you assume, that claim sounds like it came from a butt-dyno.
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Why do you mention I should keep my G if I did not sell it yet? I have the BMW for a reason and am aware it is not the fastest car in the 1/4th and perfectly happy with that. And yes I have time slips of my car from the 1/4th, I have gone to the track about 5 times over the past 3 years and it runs 14.500@97.XX. As far as the Dynos they have been posted by others with the same setup all over the internet.

You mention all the 330i steps, are there going to be more then one to post the results? I am just trying to gather information and an avg # of what a step 330i puts down.

Oh and BTW, who the hell is Gale Banks Engineering?

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Your comments certainly are welcome, but please be respectful or move on.

You can organize an open invitation for a Florida dyno event, and contribute some dyno results yourself. By the way, it's Fathers Day and I cannot post all the videos and dyno test results in a matter of a few hours.

I put a lot of effort organizing this event, am uploading, editting videos, compiling dyno results, being respectful of those who wish to keep their results confidential, and posted this event as an invitation for weeks for anyone who wanted to attend and participate.

Each participating member was given three test runs, and we managed to test 8 cars total. Additionally, an e46 M3 with a MilTech exhaust and intake put 255 hp to the rear wheels, which may seem low to you as well.

I have gone to lengths to be scientific about this within the confines of what we have to work with. This data I am posting is objective, and though you're entitled to expressing your opinions, the purpose of this thread is to give fellow members some insight about dynamometer testing, our E90s, but most importantly, to have some fun sharing our love and enthusiasm for our cars.

p.s. in answer to one of your concerns, keep checking the top 3 posts of this thread. So far, I have posted magmd and jbjwc's dyno results, both of whom have 330i steps. jbjwc has +1 rims without the heavy RFTs, and this small variable may have some impact on results.

I have everyone's dyno results, but posted ones from those who have given their consent thus far.
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Doods since when did this turn into a "my G pulls this and that." Move on please... This is a baseline experiment for the Step and Manual E90's (325/330) taken that day. If you don't like the figures do your own dyno.
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Well said Michael... Thanks for setting this up homie! :rocks:
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Here's my one video contribution, with permission from LWL. Enjoy!

http://livedigital.com/content/419257/u82302

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You are saying I am not being respectful? Go take a look at HRC's post towards the top of the page which clearly discourteous. I am sorry for trying to contribute to this site and learning about my new car, in the future I will be passive when I have a question or concern. You guys need to chill out; I appreciate all the dyno work and effort done in this thread but stop beating up on the new guy.
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Michael, once again, you have found a way to express what I wanted to say in a much more well written/spoken fashion...

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Your comments certainly are welcome, but please be respectful or move on.

You can organize an open invitation for a Florida dyno event, and contribute some dyno results yourself. By the way, it's Fathers Day and I cannot post all the videos and dyno test results in a matter of a few hours.

I put a lot of effort organizing this event, am uploading, editting videos, compiling dyno results, being respectful of those who wish to keep their results confidential, and posted this event as an invitation for weeks for anyone who wanted to attend and participate.

Each participating member was given three test runs, and we managed to test 8 cars total. Additionally, an e46 M3 with a MilTech exhaust and intake put 255 hp to the rear wheels, which may seem low to you as well.

I have gone to lengths to be scientific about this within the confines of what we have to work with. This data I am posting is objective, and though you're entitled to expressing your opinions, the purpose of this thread is to give fellow members some insight about dynamometer testing, our E90s, but most importantly, to have some fun sharing our love and enthusiasm for our cars.

p.s. in answer to one of your concerns, keep checking the top 3 posts of this thread. So far, I have posted magmd and jbjwc's dyno results, both of whom have 330i steps. jbjwc has +1 rims without the heavy RFTs, and this small variable may have some impact on results.

I have everyone's dyno results, but posted ones from those who have given their consent thus far.
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I have never heard of a modern auto (exsp. 6 speed one) that has a 25% loss. 4-wheel drive cars are typical of such a loss but not on a RWD car.
You sound like an expert Mr. Know it all, not too cool for a noob. I already mentioned that just because you never heard of something before...

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...I am coming from an Infiniti G35 sedan which was an 03 model (260 hp) and I had exhaust intake that i am pretty sure was putting down 220+to the wheels...
How can you enter into a discussion about dyno sheet numbers with a lame intro like that? Lets not get into 2003 Japanese Horsepower, lets talk about SAE rated HP. But we cant, so let apples be apples. If you are pretty sure about your cars WHP by internet postings of others with your setup, then we have nothing further to talk about...

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...I hope in the future we will have more dyno tests so I can get a feel for what the car really puts down.
This is a to the people here. I have been around cars and tuning a long time. What the FUCK do you mean "what the car REALLY puts down"? You think these people are paying money to trick you? Dude, yea, I'm a little pissed at you...with a post like this...

People who know me will tell you I'm one of the most friendly people around, but posts like this me up!

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Also, I fail to understand how my reply to you (below) was disrespectful to you, considering the post (yours) I was replying to.

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Just because you never heard it, doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

Have you ever dynoed your G and just dont remember for "sure" what the dyno numbers were or are you just "pretty sure" your G was putting 220 whp because you have an accurate ass meter, or your friends/family have a similiar setup and they actually dynoed their car? Or are you a rags(Magazines) numbers expert?

Same question with the 1/4 time slip you posted.

Also, all 330 with steps that participated in this are real and what they put down was "real" too.

If you didnt already sell your G, maybe you should keep it?

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I have some surprises planned for my S homie... This is my "baseline." Now I get to build up my excel spreadsheet with the various "performance" mods that I want to add in.

VTEC rulzzzz man!


I sometimes (not too much though, thanks E90!) miss the wail of my H22 when it screamed past 5400 rpm! Pretty intoxicating! Brotha, one day we gotta talk about our vtec connection, bro, my H22 had a portflow head & intake, s cams, titanium retainers...

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I put a lot of effort organizing this event, am uploading, editting videos, compiling dyno results, being respectful of those who wish to keep their results confidential, and posted this event as an invitation for weeks for anyone who wanted to attend and participate.

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