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      02-03-2009, 09:48 PM   #111
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He was the head of styling, not engineering, I think people realize the distinction.
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In the end we know BMW will build above-avg. driving cars. Whether or not we like the way they look is up to us. It's not something to worry about.
In a very real (but probably unintended) sense, you are correct! Van Hooydonk spoke of Designworks in the Bimmer interview. This is a daughter company of BMW Group that employs designers of all kinds of conventional things... laptops, boats, cell phones, etc. van Hooydonk reveals, "they not only know what things are going to look like, they also know how things are going to work in four or five years. We have a unique and good setup that gives us information about the world at large."

Therefore, the way we, collectively as a culture, vote on the design of our everyday gadgets in some small way provides material input for the design of future Bimmers. I think that is very indeed!
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At the beginning i used to HATE Bangle, but now i've been liking his job. However i think BMW needs more agressives designs, i can see too much conservative lines yet.

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Exterior designers of recent BMW models ... THE MOST COMPLETE LIST UP TO DATE!!!!:


* Henrik Fisker: Z07 Concept, E52 Z8
* Klaus Kapitza: E31 8 series
* Boyke Boyer: E38 7 series
* Joji Nagashima: E90/E91 3 series, E36 3 series, E36/7 Z3, E39 5 series
* Adrian van Hooydonk: E63/E64 6 series, E65/E66 7 series, Z9 GT Concept, Z9 Convertible Concept, MINI ACV30 Concept
* Geoff Velasco: E83 X3
* Anders Warming: E85 Z4 roadster, GINA Light Concept, Mille Miglia 2006 Coupe Concept
* Chris Chapman: E87/E81 1 series hatchback, E53 X5, X-coupe Concept, CS1 Concept
* Erik Goplen: E46 3 series
* Davide Arcangeli: E60/E61 5 series
* Tomasz Sycha: E86 Z4 Coupe
* Marc Michael Markefka: E92/E93 3-series coupe & cabrio, E82/E88 1-series coupe & cabrio
* Pierre Leclercq: E70 X5, X71/E72 X6
* Karim Antoine Habib: CS Concept, F01/F02 7-series
* Benoit Jacob: M1 Hommage Concept
* Juliane Blasi: E89 Z4 roadster
* Jacek Froehlich: F10 / F11 5-series
* Richard Kim: E89 X1


* Marek Djordjevic: RR Phantom family (Phantom, Drophead Copue, Coupe), 100EX, 101EX

* Frank Stephenson: R50-R53 MINI Mk1
* Marcus Syring: R55-R58 MINI Mk2


Mind that interiors, M-kits, M-specific exterior, rims / wheels, interior details like steering wheel, iDrive knob etc are designed by other people!!!

And as you can see NONE of the BMW model's exterior hasn't been penned by Chris Bangle!!! EVER! He was just a chief / a manager. Not an actuall designer. And all the production designs has been selected & chosen by the BMW AG Board of Directors, and not by Bangle himself.
Thank you!! That was very informative. Nice to see credit given to the design TEAM.
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      02-03-2009, 10:09 PM   #115
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I always thought Van Hooydonck did.
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Thank you!! That was very informative. Nice to see credit given to the design TEAM.
Agreed! Nice list!
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i think this will be a very positive change for bmw. i look forward to seeing what i'll be buying in the years to come! haha
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Good, now maybe BMW will start designing cars that look good as well as they perform.
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Thanks for posting, very informative, however, I don't think anyone even slightly aware of design could have thought Bangle designed the vehicles by himself, the only emphasis here is that he was head of the department and oversaw all the team's activities as the director in charge.

That's true.

But the design was set by the avant-garde design strategy - which was set sometimes in mid 90s. Prepared & developed by many people from other departments as well (finance, marketing, finance, production, R&D etc).

And every design is based on guidelines set by marketing & engineering department - they create a basic frame for the design. Chassis & body dimensions etc. - all determined. Designers get the body already developed - they just have to "dress" it. So, the bulky E65 7er was bulky due engineers, not designers etc.

Yes, it's true Bangle oversaw, tutored & guided design teams in the process. But in the end it was the Board of Director who picked from the various design proposal - in every stage. Up until the very final design proposal. And Bangle was the link between designers & top managers from the Board: he was told what to do, what to change, what the Board expects etc. And they did that. Of course he advocated the proposals - but that was his job.

But definitely Bangle believed strongly in sharp avant-garde design language for BMW. And so did the Board.

Often Bangle is given wrong credits. Either too many, or too little. Usually media get it completely wrong ... mixing all up.
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I really liked bangle. i think he had the much needed set of balls to try something radically different, like a true rebel. like the people who deserve to drive BMW's, they're willing to risk failure to get ahead of the group.
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I've always liked Bangle's work, and i love the new 7 series,but am i the only one though??
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didnt expect that....Dutchman..huh , maybe bmws will fly now..again
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Bangle steps down

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-leaving_N.htm
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like the people who deserve to drive BMW's, they're willing to risk failure to get ahead of the group.
People who deserve to drive BMW's??? You mean like a cosmic appreciation thing? Or a monetary one?

I guess if I'm driving a 335 I'm a little more deserving than you, driving a 328.

But - sobering thought - not as deserving as someone sporting an M6 cabrio... damn!
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That's true.

But the design was set by the avant-garde design strategy - which was set sometimes in mid 90s. Prepared & developed by many people from other departments as well (finance, marketing, finance, production, R&D etc).

And every design is based on guidelines set by marketing & engineering department - they create a basic frame for the design. Chassis & body dimensions etc. - all determined. Designers get the body already developed - they just have to "dress" it. So, the bulky E65 7er was bulky due engineers, not designers etc.

Yes, it's true Bangle oversaw, tutored & guided design teams in the process. But in the end it was the Board of Director who picked from the various design proposal - in every stage. Up until the very final design proposal. And Bangle was the link between designers & top managers from the Board: he was told what to do, what to change, what the Board expects etc. And they did that. Of course he advocated the proposals - but that was his job.

But definitely Bangle believed strongly in sharp avant-garde design language for BMW. And so did the Board.

Often Bangle is given wrong credits. Either too many, or too little. Usually media get it completely wrong ... mixing all up.

Very well stated.
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Whether Bangle was responsible or not, I just hope there's no more pinched rear ends [E90 3series sedan], camel humps [E63 6series coupe] or fat lines [E82 1series coupe] in BMW's future.

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Exterior designers of recent BMW models ... THE MOST COMPLETE LIST UP TO DATE!!!!:


* Henrik Fisker: Z07 Concept, E52 Z8
* Klaus Kapitza: E31 8 series
* Boyke Boyer: E38 7 series
* Joji Nagashima: E90/E91 3 series, E36 3 series, E36/7 Z3, E39 5 series
* Adrian van Hooydonk: E63/E64 6 series, E65/E66 7 series, Z9 GT Concept, Z9 Convertible Concept, MINI ACV30 Concept
* Geoff Velasco: E83 X3
* Anders Warming: E85 Z4 roadster, GINA Light Concept, Mille Miglia 2006 Coupe Concept
* Chris Chapman: E87/E81 1 series hatchback, E53 X5, X-coupe Concept, CS1 Concept
* Erik Goplen: E46 3 series
* Davide Arcangeli: E60/E61 5 series
* Tomasz Sycha: E86 Z4 Coupe
* Marc Michael Markefka: E92/E93 3-series coupe & cabrio, E82/E88 1-series coupe & cabrio
* Pierre Leclercq: E70 X5, X71/E72 X6
* Karim Antoine Habib: CS Concept, F01/F02 7-series
* Benoit Jacob: M1 Hommage Concept
* Juliane Blasi: E89 Z4 roadster
* Jacek Froehlich: F10 / F11 5-series
* Richard Kim: E89 X1


* Marek Djordjevic: RR Phantom family (Phantom, Drophead Copue, Coupe), 100EX, 101EX

* Frank Stephenson: R50-R53 MINI Mk1
* Marcus Syring: R55-R58 MINI Mk2


Mind that interiors, M-kits, M-specific exterior, rims / wheels, interior details like steering wheel, iDrive knob etc are designed by other people!!!

And as you can see NONE of the BMW model's exterior hasn't been penned by Chris Bangle!!! EVER! He was just a chief / a manager. Not an actuall designer. And all the production designs has been selected & chosen by the BMW AG Board of Directors, and not by Bangle himself.
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Whether Bangle was responsible or not, I just hope there's no more pinched rear ends [E90 3series sedan], camel humps [E63 6series coupe]or fat lines [E82 1series coupe] in BMW's future.
You still fail to grasp his position in the hierarchy. Ah well!

...in other news, here's a good read:

http://darmano.typepad.com/for_blog/BMW_case_study.pdf

His passion is conveyed intensely in that article.

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