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      02-12-2009, 06:18 AM   #1
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VW Golf R20 to come Stateside.

It looks like the VW Golf R20 will be coming to the USA according to topspeed.com. If it looks anything like the images it will not only hurt the sales of the S3 but could prove an interesting alternative to the 135i.

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Yeah the rims are to brash, but if the rest of the bodykit looks like this then they are on to a winner. Young people, students and the like love the boyracer look and this is definitely agressive enough to be classes as boyracer.
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Looks sick! Glad they are going with a turbo now.
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Glad they are going with a turbo now.
Of course since it's a 2.0L 4 banger. If it has the guts of a S3, it'll be the hot hatch to have. I'll sell my MINI JCW for one...
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I like the performance, but why does it have to be an egg
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i really like it a lot!
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I'd take it over a 135i probably. Depends on how they tune the AWD system. If it's rear-drive biased then yeah.
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I'm usually a huge VW fan, being the previous owner of two GTis, but this particular car looks very ungainly.

The wheels are indeed a disaster. Front is very minivan-esque.
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I think you will be out of luck with the AWD system unless it's the latest Haldex-AWD. All the others can only shift 50% to the rear and usually run it 95f/5r until grip is needed else where. Haldex-AWD is different if I am reading right and can be tuned to give a more rewarding driving experience.
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If it's rear-drive biased then yeah.
that would be cool, but my guess is that it'll end up with 4-motion (or whatever VW calls it)...you know, FWD until the tires break loose, then it converts to AWD, and remains front-biased unless the situation calls for a maximum of 50% to the rear tires. to bad that article doesn't mention more specifics.
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Those rims have to go. Ughhh.
I don't think you have to worry about it having those rims. Owners of the new 5.2 ltr V10 Audi R8 might get pissed as those are the stock rims.
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that would be cool, but my guess is that it'll end up with 4-motion (or whatever VW calls it)...you know, FWD until the tires break loose, then it converts to AWD, and remains front-biased unless the situation calls for a maximum of 50% to the rear tires. to bad that article doesn't mention more specifics.
That's not entirely accurate. In addition to lack of front grip, the system will push power to rear wheels solely under heavier throttle input at less than highway speeds. It can also go to 100% rear if conditions call for that, but very short-lived. At highway speeds, it's simply a FWD system. It is that way for economy as much as anything else. Smart system nonetheless.
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At highway speeds, it's simply a FWD system. It is that way for economy as much as anything else.
Pardon my ignorance, but how does this affect fuel economy?
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I think you will be out of luck with the AWD system unless it's the latest Haldex-AWD. All the others can only shift 50% to the rear and usually run it 95f/5r until grip is needed else where. Haldex-AWD is different if I am reading right and can be tuned to give a more rewarding driving experience.
I see. That's a shame. Do you know what high performance AWD vehicles use the Haldex system?
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I see. That's a shame. Do you know what high performance AWD vehicles use the Haldex system?
It depends on what you regard as 'high' performance. The list of what I would call normal 'high' performance cars are vast.

All transverse VAG cars that offer awd.
(i.e. TT-S, R32, R36, S3, etc.)

Mazda 3 & 6 MPS, Saabs, some Volvos, most of the life-style SUVs currently on sale.

Though the only true 'Ultra-high' performance car that uses the Haldex system is the Bugatti Veyron.

Though Haldex have a new system called Haldex-AWD which has some additions which look to add a little spice to an other words efficient but uninspiring system.

http://www.haldex.com/en-GB/Europe/A...ions-Products/
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That's not entirely accurate. In addition to lack of front grip, the system will push power to rear wheels solely under heavier throttle input at less than highway speeds. It can also go to 100% rear if conditions call for that, but very short-lived. At highway speeds, it's simply a FWD system. It is that way for economy as much as anything else. Smart system nonetheless.
thank you for the corrections...i guess i was just trying to stress that it most likely won't be a rear-biased drivetrain (like you said, it rarely transfers 100% to the rear wheels).
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they pushed another 70 hp out of the gti engine not bad. that thing is going to fly.
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It depends on what you regard as 'high' performance. The list of what I would call normal 'high' performance cars are vast.

All transverse VAG cars that offer awd.
(i.e. TT-S, R32, R36, S3, etc.)

Mazda 3 & 6 MPS, Saabs, some Volvos, most of the life-style SUVs currently on sale.

Though the only true 'Ultra-high' performance car that uses the Haldex system is the Bugatti Veyron.

Though Haldex have a new system called Haldex-AWD which has some additions which look to add a little spice to an other words efficient but uninspiring system.

http://www.haldex.com/en-GB/Europe/A...ions-Products/
Thanks for posting that.

What systems do the LP560 and R8 use?
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