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      02-20-2009, 05:48 PM   #1
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What would you do when over 50k?

I am rapidly approaching the end (50K) mileage on the standard warranty for my 06 330i. I am probably going to keep the car and run it up against or over 100k. The $1595 BMW extended warranty/maintenance deal is a no brainer, I think. Gives you another 50k or 2 yrs. But would you buy the $2375 BMW protection plan, too? This covers engine, trans, final drive, steering, ABS, electrical, HVAC, fuel system, all the big stuff.

How many of you have had big mechanical failures when putting high mileage on these cars? What's failed? Any patterns out there?


This car has been nearly bulletproof besides the usual electronic/computer BS. Zero mechanical issues.

Thanks in advance for your input.
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well 50k just flew by a week ago for me, and honestly, my car has been perfect to date... no computer issues, no mechanical failures, so i think I'm just gonna live with it as is.
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If it makes you sleep better at night, go for it, but if you don't you know what it will cost you. Personally I won't own my car past 50k for that long as I fear what can happen and what it can cost.
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      02-22-2009, 12:00 PM   #4
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At 50,001 I was driving down the highway and the engine locked up, transmission started squealing, diff blew up and all four wheels fell off when the wheel bearings separated.

I guess I should have bought the extended warranty (to get another two oil changes, brake flush, and wiper blades) and my car would have magically stayed together.

Those damned BMW engineers and their built in obsolescence!
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At 50,001 I was driving down the highway and the engine locked up, transmission started squealing, diff blew up and all four wheels fell off when the wheel bearings separated.

I guess I should have bought the extended warranty (to get another two oil changes, brake flush, and wiper blades) and my car would have magically stayed together.

Those damned BMW engineers and their built in obsolescence!
Didn't the seat eject you out the sunroof? I hear that's pretty common too.

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Oh...in all seriousness...when coming out of warranty, my local BMW independent mechanic suggested:

1) Oil changes every 10,000km instead of the factory 25,000km (ie every 6,000 miles) but I was doing this already.
2) On the manual tranny suggested flushing out and replacing the tranny oil with Redline. The one that is in the car is supposed to be "lifetime" oil...but as with all things...it's not really going to last a lifetime and it makes the shifting notchy. Because it is a sealed unit, he said they have to open it up in order to replace the tranny oil. He didn't recommend swapping out the tranny oil on the sealed units of higher mileage cars tho. He said do it before the 100,000 km (60,000 mile) mark.
3) Coolant flush

That's about it.

I was thinking about suspension and brakes (stainless steel brake lines and more aggressive pads)...but that was more out of my own modding desires.

Having said that...I think at 80,000km (50,000 miles) the stock sport suspension is really starting to get tired. Don't believe me? Go drive a brand new car with sport suspension...you'll definitely notice less body roll. I think coilovers might be a good idea
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Any Chance your independent BMW mechanic feeds his family by doing oil changes? Why not a Jiffy Lube recommended 3,000 miles? Why is 6,000 miles the magic number?
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Any Chance your independent BMW mechanic feeds his family by doing oil changes? Why not a Jiffy Lube recommended 3,000 miles? Why is 6,000 miles the magic number?
Of course he feeds his family by doing oil changes. It's his business after all!

Sorry I should be more specific...he suggested doing oil changes more frequently than what BMW recommends. I guess if you are being really specific, instead of what BMW Canada recommends at 25,000km...he is suggesting you do one at 12,500km (approx 7500 miles) and one at 25,000km, etc. Sorry I used 10,000 as a round about number in my above comment.

There has been lots of discussion here about whether you should just change oil at the BMW recommended intervals or more frequently. Some feel that BMW know best and therefore one should just change at the recommended intervals.

Other people here who have sent in their oil for lab analysis at the BMW recommended intervals. Apparently some of the results have shown that the used oil contained a lot of foreign metal deposits which could be damaging for the engine.

Other people have also suggested that one of the major reasons for all manufacturers recently recommending extended mileage before oil changes is to make their numbers with the EPA look nice. That might not be the only reason of course...customer convience has some role, as does improved qualities of synthetic oils do genuinely allow for extended mileage before a change is necessary.

Shrug.

I personally plan on changing my oil more frequently than recommended.
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I know this topic has been talked to death and everyone has an opinion. But no one gives a good reason why the BMW interval change is too long and why a certain lower mileage interval is the correct period. BMWs since the mid 1980's have had extended oil service intervals. I have two BMWs with a combined 400,000 miles on them, both serviced based on the on-board maintenance computer. Both cars have their original untouched factory built engines.

BMW mechanics in the magazines say to follow the old BMW schedule, and claim the "lifetime" fill is not the lifetime of the machine. My two old BMWs require oil service at intervals well over 10,000 miles. Bimmer magazine can interview the CEO of BMW, but for some reason they never interview the BMW engineering executive in charge of developing the maintenance schedule. They never ask why BMW has switched to lifetime fills for coolant, diff, and tranny fluids and what has changed that no longer requires the shorter "old" schedule.
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1. Oil every 5k miles.
2. Trans and Diff oil change every 50K miles with Redline oil.
3. Spark plugs every 50K miles.
4. Coolant flush every two years.
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Go for it, gives you peace of mind OR set money aside for repairs
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I bought mine (well, techincally, my parents bought mine) at somewhere aroun 52k. We went for the full warranty but not the seperate tire coverage.
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Well I just hit 51500 and my starter is starting to fail. $1110 to repair. Also a sensor on the exhaust failed $300 to replace.

There goes my savings for the performance exhaust / intake.

I had originally thought the chances of $2500 of repairs before 100k miles was unlikely but I'm starting to regret that line or reasoning.
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      02-27-2009, 08:34 PM   #14
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My car is at 61k
So far I did 2 oil changes, cabin filter replacement, Air Intake replacement, and my brake pads are wearing out so they'll need replacing as well.
Suspension is fine so far (and I've been dropped on H&R sports for maybe 30k now), so is the motor and tranny
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After a bunch of research, your input, and a great response from Mike Miller of BMWCCA, I have decided to trash the idea of buying extended warranty and service agreements. The total cost would have been $4168 including tax for 2 yrs and another 50,000 mi. Mike said it best; that much dough buys a lot more maintenance. His recommendations are to pay careful attention to regular fluid changes and to toss out the window the factory's recommended intervals. You know, the ones that suddenly got just ridiculously longer or became "lifetime" after BMW announced they would pay all your maintenance for the first 4 yrs or 50k miles! Yep the following list reflects alot of how it USED to be from BMW. You know, back when they charged you for oil changes, coolant flushes and changes, fuel filters, etc, etc.

Top 10 things I will be doing on my long term 3.

1. Oil and Filter- every 7,500 miles. (Red Line)
2 Air filter- every 30,000.
3. Interior air filter- every 30,000.
4. Manual trans and diff. fluid- every 30,000.
5. Fuel Filter- every 60,000.
6. Brake fluid- once per year- BMW OEM.
7. Coolant- BMW OEM only- every 2 yrs. 50-50 mix.
8. Spark plugs- per BMW recommendation- 100k.
9. Hoses- 150,000.
10. Brake Pads- per OBD indication.


Mike also said the predominant probs with long term BMWs involve electronics, and auto transmissions. So I am 50% cleared of the biggest problem points. I know the electronic shit can be nightmarish. We shall see- I have talked with more people who have had nearly flawless performance than those who have had lemons and boatloads of issues. This car has been so good so far, I am betting it is a keeper.

Thanks again for weighing in.
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how does one flush the tranny fluid in an Auto Tranny 325 2006? Is there a drain plug?

Also what fluid is suggested?
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I just rolled 50K. Not doing exended warranty for the very reasons OP pointed out. $4168 is a lotta dough and my car seems reliable...so far. If I had a 335 or auto trans I might think otherwise, however.
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I think that I will keep my car for 6 years. If I keep it for 7-8-9 years, the cost by month doesn't improve much, barely by 10% according to my guesstimations.
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I would not get the warranty. It would be better to just put the 4 grand away so that if something does come up, you have the money to fix the car.
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Yeah, stick it in a CD or some other investments. That's what insurance companies do.
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at 61,805 miles..........good thing most of the troubles(7 total) happened under warranty....

got a couple of free oil changes and a rear brake job under free maintenance schedule....

my other rear window motor seemed like it's about to go out too.....i dare not rolled it down.....

forget the warranty.......i got longtran for the scheduled maintenance.......
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at 61,805 miles..........good thing most of the trouble happened under warranty....

got a couple of free oil changes and a rear brake job under free maintenance schedule....

my other rear window motor seemed like it's about to go out too.....i dare not rolled it down.....

forget the warranty.......i got longtran for the scheduled maintenance.......
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