E90Post
 


ECS BMW
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > AUDIO/VIDEO + BLUETOOTH + Electronics/Alarm/Software > Bluetooth & Steering wheel controls with aftermarket radio



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-17-2006, 08:29 AM   #1
MAZNG
I found Jesus...He was Hiding behiind my Sofa
MAZNG's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
954
Posts

 
Drives: :o)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 954 - SoFla

iTrader: (14)

Bluetooth & Steering wheel controls with aftermarket radio

Hey guys:

My wife and I picked up her new E90 this past Saturday and wanted to install the Alpine DVD/ Navi I have from another car system. Anyway went to a couple of stereo shops in the area (Miami, Fl), but could not get a straight anwser.

Has anyone hooked up an Alpine (or other NON OEM) radio and retained their Bluetooth and radio control.

Thanks in advance for your input!
Appreciate 0
      07-17-2006, 08:31 AM   #2
bavarian19
General
bavarian19's Avatar
United_States
233
Rep
18,815
Posts

 
Drives: Car
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: VA

iTrader: (23)

I doubt you will be able to keep those buttons functional...
Appreciate 0
      07-17-2006, 08:42 AM   #3
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MAZNG
Hey guys:

My wife and I picked up her new E90 this past Saturday and wanted to install the Alpine DVD/ Navi I have from another car system. Anyway went to a couple of stereo shops in the area (Miami, Fl), but could not get a straight anwser.

Has anyone hooked up an Alpine (or other NON OEM) radio and retained their Bluetooth and radio control.

Thanks in advance for your input!
If you are implying you would remove the MID in order to complete this installation, then the answer is no, without the MID, the functionality it controls such as telephone, satradio, radio, etc., would not be available (kind of obvious, no?)
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member
Appreciate 0
      07-17-2006, 02:08 PM   #4
MAZNG
I found Jesus...He was Hiding behiind my Sofa
MAZNG's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
954
Posts

 
Drives: :o)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 954 - SoFla

iTrader: (14)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpira
If you are implying you would remove the MID in order to complete this installation, then the answer is no, without the MID, the functionality it controls such as telephone, satradio, radio, etc., would not be available (kind of obvious, no?)
Obvious? In this technologically advanced day and age, it should be possible. Especially since Alpine and others make modulators, Bluetooth interfaces, etc. to use in these types of applications. I wanted to know if any on here has done this. There must be a way if over fifteen years ago I was able to motorize my OEM faceplate to hide an in-dash Minidisc player, which was controlled through the steering wheel of an Acura Legend which was perfectly modified to work in my Integra. So, it is NOT obvious. How do you think the OEM radio and steering wheel are connected? It's not magic, it's engineering (you know, wires).

I understand most people think by conventional wisdom, but I am hoping that someone has perhaps tried (& succeeded) with a combination that works and that would answer my question.

Hey, at least you bumped up my Q... Thanks, I guess.
Appreciate 0
      07-17-2006, 02:09 PM   #5
MAZNG
I found Jesus...He was Hiding behiind my Sofa
MAZNG's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
954
Posts

 
Drives: :o)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 954 - SoFla

iTrader: (14)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bavarian19
I doubt you will be able to keep those buttons functional...

Why?
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 02:48 PM   #6
Frank2808
Second Lieutenant
4
Rep
208
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 335is
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cleveland

iTrader: (2)

I looked into this when I was exploring a carputer for my E90. The short answer is that at this point, it's not possible. There are adapters out there for E46's that will allow you to access some of the BMW functions (ie audio system, etc..) with nonOEM eletronics, but no one has made such an adapter for an E90 as of yet. What it amounts to is that a lot of the brains behind the BMW systems are actually part of the head unit...
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 03:09 PM   #7
ScreaminE90
Guest
Rep
n/a
Posts

 
Drives:


Sir, the e90 uses fiber optics to commnicate in all entertainment functions, ie radio, telephone, nav...

Your alpine does not. It is impossible for your alpine to communicate with all the fun stuff of your e90.
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 08:13 PM   #8
MAZNG
I found Jesus...He was Hiding behiind my Sofa
MAZNG's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
954
Posts

 
Drives: :o)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 954 - SoFla

iTrader: (14)

Thanks guys for the input. I actually found a shop that can make the volume and track (steering wheel) buttons work... It's a start, right.
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 08:50 PM   #9
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MAZNG
Thanks guys for the input. I actually found a shop that can make the volume and track (steering wheel) buttons work... It's a start, right.
Not necessarily, because the non-U.S. iPod Interface kit did the same thing. They replace the buttons.

It's not a start because a start would imply that this would lead to controlling the other functions. See my post re equipment for MOST BMWs (below this) as to why.
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 08:51 PM   #10
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MAZNG
Obvious? In this technologically advanced day and age, it should be possible. Especially since Alpine and others make modulators, Bluetooth interfaces, etc. to use in these types of applications. I wanted to know if any on here has done this. There must be a way if over fifteen years ago I was able to motorize my OEM faceplate to hide an in-dash Minidisc player, which was controlled through the steering wheel of an Acura Legend which was perfectly modified to work in my Integra. So, it is NOT obvious. How do you think the OEM radio and steering wheel are connected? It's not magic, it's engineering (you know, wires).
And which of these companies you cite makes non-OEM devices for MOST BMWs? The answer? That would be none of them.
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 09:41 PM   #11
zamboni
I want to drive a Zamboni
zamboni's Avatar
United_States
43
Rep
3,242
Posts

 
Drives: 13 E93 M3 14 F30 335i
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Monte Sereno, CA

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
Did Alpine makes the audio for BMW ? If that is the case he might be able to use some of the features....
__________________
14 F30 335i Melbourne Red
13 E93 M3 Melbourne Red
12 E93 Space Gray ( Retired BMW buy back )
2006 E90 ( sold ) 09 E82 Space Gray ( sold )
My next vehicle would be a Zamboni
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2006, 09:57 PM   #12
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zamboni
Did Alpine makes the audio for BMW ? If that is the case he might be able to use some of the features....
Doesn't matter. There is nothing available that would be compatible with MOST BMWs.
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 06:52 AM   #13
ScotyH
Bimmer me up
5
Rep
341
Posts

 
Drives: 08 M3, 2010 GTR
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton,AB

iTrader: (0)

PAC-Audio is working on an interface to make the steering wheel controls work with aftermarket decks. Unfortunately it'll probably be a year before we see it.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 08:48 AM   #14
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotyH
PAC-Audio is working on an interface to make the steering wheel controls work with aftermarket decks. Unfortunately it'll probably be a year before we see it.
That doesn't change accessing M-ASK or CCC functionality however.
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 09:35 AM   #15
Bimmer325
Major
Bimmer325's Avatar
27
Rep
1,167
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 E90 325i
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: MY

iTrader: (1)

is there a device for Bluetooth to be plugged into the AUX to work with my mobile?
__________________
325i Arctics M-Sport, Gray Leather with Alu Trim, ///M DCT Paddleshift, ///M Gear Knob, BBS LM-R 19", Michelin PS2, KW V2, H&R Anti Roll Bars, BMW Performance Air Intake System, 3D Front Lip, ACS Roof Spoiler, OEM Boot Spoiler, Osram 6000K, Brex White Ring, PIAA 6200K HID Fog, PIAA License Plate LED, BMS Powerbox
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 10:05 AM   #16
ScotyH
Bimmer me up
5
Rep
341
Posts

 
Drives: 08 M3, 2010 GTR
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton,AB

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpira
That doesn't change accessing M-ASK or CCC functionality however.
Pardon my ignorance but what is M-ASK and CCC?
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 09:36 PM   #17
ScreaminE90
Guest
Rep
n/a
Posts

 
Drives:


M-ASK and CCC are the two different cd drives available in e90's, M-ASK being the non-navigation/i-drive equipped model, and CCC being the dual drive for cd and dvds.

Your ignorance needs no pardon, as these are designations that most BMW owners will never hear.

I assume JSpira only knows it because he works on these cars for a living like I do.
Matt
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 09:52 PM   #18
JSpira
Freude am Fahren
JSpira's Avatar
Austria
93
Rep
5,254
Posts

 
Drives: Fünfer, Dreier, +
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New York, München, Wien

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreaminE90

I assume JSpira only knows it because he works on these cars for a living like I do.
Matt
I don't work on cars (nor do I work at a dealership or in the industry) but danke for the compliment Matt.

Actually, M-ASK and CCC are two different computers in BMWs with MOST bus, not just E90s.
__________________
Freude am Fahren.

Jonathan




E90 2006 330xi
E90 2006 325i
E39 2003 530i Sport*
E46 2000 328Ci*
E36 1996 328iS*
E36 1992 325i*
E30 1991 318is
E21 1982 320iS*
E21 1979 320 (6-Zyl)*
*retired


Nominated: Most Contributing Member

Last edited by JSpira; 07-19-2006 at 10:12 PM.
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2006, 10:44 PM   #19
ScreaminE90
Guest
Rep
n/a
Posts

 
Drives:


Of course. =) These computers are integrated components OF the cd drives.
When I replace a CCC, for example, I replace the dual drive (cd and dvd nav) in say an e63.
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2011, 07:55 PM   #20
N0OS3
Colonel
N0OS3's Avatar
United_States
41
Rep
2,220
Posts

 
Drives: E90
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oak Harbor, WA

iTrader: (5)

So... was there ever a solution for the Steering Wheel controls for an Aftermarket Head Unit?

I want to put a Double Din unit in my car, but i don't want to have silly non-functional buttons... O_o'

Is there a way to just buy a whole new steering control module and retrofit?
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2011, 12:09 PM   #21
taibanl
Brigadier General
taibanl's Avatar
65
Rep
3,642
Posts

 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NA

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lync9763 View Post
So... was there ever a solution for the Steering Wheel controls for an Aftermarket Head Unit?

I want to put a Double Din unit in my car, but i don't want to have silly non-functional buttons... O_o'

Is there a way to just buy a whole new steering control module and retrofit?
I think the proper module is called PAC-SWS
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2011, 12:40 PM   #22
mosx
The mod bug has bitten.
United_States
7
Rep
565
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: North Texas

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW M3  [0.00]
I just installed a Pioneer unit with the PAC SWI-PS controls. You can use the steering wheel controls ... somewhat. My phone button will answer the phone when it rings however the phone button won't hang up the call or activate the phone interface. Well it will do those things but you only get 1 choice. So the phone button can either 1. Answer an incoming call OR 2. Hang up a call OR 3. Activate the phone menu on the head unit.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:41 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST