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      04-16-2009, 06:41 AM   #45
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D/S (which i believe is the gear leverl to the left) and then release brake and pin it(varying throttle depending on traction levels)

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So what happens then?

The front wheels should stick and the rears spin up or what?

Just curious before I go test it

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D/S (which i believe is the gear leverl to the left) and then release brake and pin it(varying throttle depending on traction levels)
Couldn't a monkey be trained to do that. In fact the monkey wouldn't need to steer either, you could give it a banana to keep its hands busy. Just teach the monkey to use its right leg when it sees the colours of the lights change.

What am I missing, Carl ?

Where is the real skill and areas you can actually adjust ???

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Whatever Dave,

dont bother posting, give me a 4wd cossie with 400bhp, id get that in the 11's
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Whatever Dave,

dont bother posting, give me a 4wd cossie with 400bhp, id get that in the 11's
It is a genuine question.

Explain it to me. Sell it to me.

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No Dave, anyone else but not you. Your taking the piss.

You try and get your stock 335d into the 13's like i did two years ago.

ALso remember i can drive pretty well around a track also. i dont just stick to straightlines.
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No Dave, anyone else but not you. Your taking the piss.

You try and get your stock 335d into the 13's like i did two years ago.

ALso remember i can drive pretty well around a track also. i dont just stick to straightlines.
I'm serious.

If we have identical cars, what honed skills are required to get a slightly quicker time ?

From what you have said it seems to boil down almost exclusively to modulating wheel spin ? As with our automatics, after the launch we are just passengers.

Seriously.

Explain it to me.

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I'm serious.

If we have identical cars, what honed skills are required to get a slightly quicker time ?

From what you have said it seems to boil down almost exclusively to modulating wheel spin ? As with our automatics, after the launch we are just passengers.

Seriously.

Explain it to me.

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i think auto drivers at the pod wait til it strikes the right RPM then tap the shift up paddle
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Video wont show, but if its the vid ive seen before of a E46 M3 running a 12.6..?

Its on drag tyres with a racing driver behind the wheel and with approx 380bhp!

Stock M3's (E46) In UK rarely dip below 13.7, but I have seen a stock ones do 13.5 with good driver.

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It was a bone stock car with stock road tyres He done a 12.3 with drag tyres, and modded car.
LOLOLL

Mate coincidence then it runs the same as a 380bhp one with drag tyres.

I can smell bullshit fromt he owner of that video.

You and I both know Stock E46 M3's dont run quicker than 13.5's and a properly modded one would be needed with fuck off awesome tyres to get into the 12's


Also strange how iM POSTING low 13's but pull away from stock M3's piss easy also... which also tallys up.

Americans are usually full of shit. Sorry.
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Americans are usually full of shit. Sorry.
Floyd, are you full of shit?
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i think auto drivers at the pod wait til it strikes the right RPM then tap the shift up paddle
Really, why ?

That is assuming that changing up is over-ruling the shift points of the automatic box. And by logic that will only occur if you want to change up sooner, as later is not an option.

Unless you actually do get better progress by changing up sooner .... but my spidey-sense is telling me this might not be the case ?

Do you use the paddles, Carl ?

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Yes I do use the paddles.
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Yes I do use the paddles.
Now I am curious because I rarely find my paddles of use unless I am caught out of gear - perhaps mid corner or whatever and need to override it quicker than it would otherwise do it for me...

So in effect if I am going right through the gears I would always allow the DS to choose when to gear up - course, mine is not mapped.

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I have the shift RPMs written down somewhere for my manual car and theyre a few 100 RPM off the redline, i think. kinda makes sense as boost tails off towards the redline? does make a difference when youre striving for every 1/100ths of a second

this is an interesting read (the first post was, i ddint read the rest )

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...444#post830444


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I found the software holds onto the gears too long and takes an age to shift and then lets the rpms drop too much.
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I found the software holds onto the gears too long and takes an age to shift and then lets the rpms drop too much.
So the main problem for you is the slow rate of change when left on DS automatic.

Does the change initiated by paddles not drop to the same revs as when done manually - same gearing after all ?

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OK, seems like I'm going to be the one to answer the various questions about 1/4 mileing at the Pod etc...

I know some of you see that the basics of accelerating in a straight line as quickly as possible is a pretty simple skill, and can be mastered by everybody. However there is more to posting a fast 1/4 mile time than just sinking your foot into the carpet and holding a straight line.

Take off the line traction for example - in an automatic, you can put your foot flat to the floor and let the car do its stuff. Problem here is that the traction control will cut in, limiting power and therefore slowing the initial takeoff. Turn traction control off and most likely you'll get wheelspin which you'll have to control by modulating the gas pedal. It's a fine balance between spin and go as it were. In a manual car, it's even harder because obviously there is more skill involved in juggling the gas and clutch together.

A difference of 0.2 secs over the first 60ft of track can equate to a terminal difference of maybe 0.5 secs at the 1/4 mile marker.

Once on the go, it's a question of getting the gear changes right. If you leave an automatic to its own devices, it will change up at the redline, but lose you a huge amount of time because the power has already tailed off by the last 750rpm or so. You have to get the gear changes correct to capitalise on the maximum power delivery. Hence why you must use the paddles. In a manual, much the same applies but you have to be quick with the gear changes too.

Sounds easy, is easy-ish, but just a small mistake can lead to massively different times. And sometimes you can't keep your foot welded to the floor, because for instance in my car I was still wheelspinning at 85mph and I had to constantly control a slight fishtail
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So the main problem for you is the slow rate of change when left on DS automatic.

Does the change initiated by paddles not drop to the same revs as when done manually - same gearing after all ?

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The change speed of shifting via paddles or automatically is the same, and yes the rev drop is also the same (as there is no change in gearing). However, what you can do by changing using the paddles is to make sure the next gear hits right at the top of the torque band and in the power zone and not under, or even worse, over the band...
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