M3 full coversion with KW Clubsports

Orb · 05-02-2009, 11:55 PM

I finally finished my M3 conversion with KW dampers. In a word the handling is just awesome. No understeer...just point and go steering with lots of grip. It is amazing how hard you can toss the car in the corner now.

Lot of custom hardware in this build:

• KW club sports (special thanks to Glen at KW)
• Redesigned KW camber plates with 8 degrees of caster. These thing are noiseless...I mean nothing.
• Custom toe links and brackets.
• Custom swift to KW conversion kit with thrust bearings

Orb

335iheLLraiseR · 05-03-2009, 12:40 AM

nice.

lpphreakx06 · 05-03-2009, 02:29 AM

Impressive!

Panoz · 05-03-2009, 07:10 AM

good job...so you mean that your car handles very similar to M3?

Mr. 5 · 05-03-2009, 01:53 PM

Wow man.
Those links I circled in yellow look beautiful!

Orb · 05-03-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Wow man.
Those links I circled in yellow look beautiful!

Of course they do....I engineered them. Oddly the aluminium links themselves are really cheap. The bearing and seals are not. Harold has the exclusive rights on the toe links. A lot of FEA analysis went into this so it behaves very much like a M3 toe link under load.

Goto thank My dealer - (Autowest BMW) - who helped validate the install and gave me a huge discount. They spent 28 hours for everything.

I am really amazed how good the car works over sharp bumps. The KW's shines in this area. I really had to slow down my input on the wheel the car responds very quickly. Razor sharp steering is under statement..no push. I still got to play with dampening more. It is close to right but got to stiffen the rear rebound a bit.

Orb

Orb · 05-03-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Panoz

good job...so you mean that your car handles very similar to M3?

It handles a lot better than stock M3...no understeer and there is lots of grip to be had. There is alot special details I not talking about as well with repsect to firction.

Orb

GAaaAR · 05-03-2009, 02:53 PM

Nice. Hows the ride quality in comparison to sock zsp?

Orb · 05-03-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GAaaAR

Nice. Hows the ride quality in comparison to sock zsp?

The spring rates are 390 for the front and 890 for the rear so it is stiffer than the stock by 2.5x. At speed below 20 MPH it is stiffer and you feel it over rolling bumps but big sharp bumps I can't even feel/hear which was I didn't expect to be the case. It is no way harsh or even noisy but it is firm and that was expected.

The best way to describe how it handles is that is feels 1000 lb lighter and then some.

The car will get better once I develop the dampening setup more.

Orb

fast_lap28 · 05-03-2009, 06:14 PM

Orb,

Who do I need to get in touch with if looking to get onboard with this setup? Very interested in this...

Thnks

Nebster · 05-03-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fast_lap28

Orb,

Who do I need to get in touch with if looking to get onboard with this setup? Very interested in this...

Thnks

x2 i am very interested in something like this

Orb · 05-03-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fast_lap28

Orb,

Who do I need to get in touch with if looking to get onboard with this setup? Very interested in this...

Thnks

Harold at HP is the person to talk as I have given him the specfic details to reproduce the kit. He is working with KW to get a damper kit like this for resale.

This is not going to be cheap. It realy is an all or nothing type of deal.

Orb

Nebster · 05-04-2009, 07:15 AM

so kw v3's for the 335i wont work for this setup?

Orb · 05-04-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebster

so kw v3's for the 335i wont work for this setup?

Has to be this KW package. It will be cheaper to sell your v3 kit and then upgrade.

Orb

Nebster · 05-04-2009, 09:47 AM

could you give me an estimation to what this would cost.

Andy@SonicMS · 05-04-2009, 01:37 PM

Looks very impressive!

ModBargains.com · 05-04-2009, 01:53 PM

Glenn does a great Job

Sounds awesome, but I bet it handles amazing!!! Seriously

ORB comeon man give us a review on it - want to hear about it!

Orb · 05-04-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebster

could you give me an estimation to what this would cost.

It cost me way to much as the development was far more then the final cost of the parts. This took 10 months to get here with lot help behind the scenes. Most of setup has been validated for some time but refined to high level now.

- Your looking at all the M3 parts and sway bars so what every that cost.
- KW Clubsport kit with camber plate no springs 2600.00
- Swift springs 400.00
- Front end link – sway bar 150.00
- Custom parts that matter that only Harold can get - 500.00
- Toe Links – custom (ask Harold)
- Rear Hotchkis brace 350.00

It not cheap but it is certainly an Audi R8 killer now. I pulled 1.1 G with street tires today.

Orb

Nebster · 05-04-2009, 08:39 PM

so give or take like 5k?

hmmm maybe next summer

zsapphire7 · 05-05-2009, 03:23 AM

yea, this definately looks like something id look into in the far future and looks like an awsome investment!

Bubbles · 05-05-2009, 05:27 AM

1.5Gs!

Wow, nice work Orb. I assume the fuel pump issue was fixed.

jah29 · 05-05-2009, 05:15 PM

Are the KW clubsports off-the-shelf models? I seem to recall you considering custom valving a while back. Did you modify the dampers or keep the them stock?

thanks,
justin

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Nebster Brigadier General 98 Rep 3,599 Posts Drives: E92 BMW 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Plainfield, IL iTrader: (4)	so give or take like 5k? hmmm maybe next summer __________________ detailing in the greater chicago area. Legal Disclaimer: Anything I or anyone else says about my vehicle on this website, pertaining to modifications does not actually represent anything actually existing on my car, and thus, cannot be held against me in any issues, i.e. warranty claims, that may arise.
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