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      05-20-2009, 07:11 AM   #1
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Halographic Swirls

No matter what I do, I cannot seem stop the halographic swirls from coming back fast on my black car. I went through a full detail recently and just was hoping I don't have to do a 4 step process again. I have a flex and was wondering if PO85RD would get the job done on a white or blue pad? Second, who sells PO85RD in 16oz? I saw that properautocare is offering the 32oz for 29.99, so if worst comes to worst, will one of our detail vendors match that?

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It doesn't list PO85RD as one of the 16oz items though.
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Yeah, but it doesn't hurt to ask
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No help on whether the PO85RD would be a quicker step to remove halographic swirls only.
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With all the detailing experts on here, no one can help?
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I believe Phil at detailers domain now carries 16 ounce 85rd. I would try that combo with a finishing pad which is the blue if you're using sonus.

If you could post up some pictures of the holograms that would be great. Post pictures before you start buffing anything so maybe we can help you avoid unnecesary work.
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I believe Phil at detailers domain now carries 16 ounce 85rd. I would try that combo with a finishing pad which is the blue if you're using sonus.

If you could post up some pictures of the holograms that would be great.
I don't have my camera with me. The swirls are completely invisible at night and only visible in the sunlight. The have the 3d appearance.
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The swirls are "machine" swirls???
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The swirls are "machine" swirls???
No, they appear to be drying swirls. The funny thing is I am super careful in my washing and drying.
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No, they appear to be drying swirls. The funny thing is I am super careful in my washing and drying.
The PO85RD would be my choice of product to use. The paint on these cars is VERY soft so eventually you're going to have the swirls show up no matter how careful you are.
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The PO85RD would be my choice of product to use. The paint on these cars is VERY soft so eventually you're going to have the swirls show up no matter how careful you are.
I totally agree they are coming back. I think I may just go with the 106FA on a blue pad since I have a lot of that. Phil at DD, says the difference in the two products should not be that big of a difference.
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I totally agree they are coming back. I think I may just go with the 106FA on a blue pad since I have a lot of that. Phil at DD, says the difference in the two products should not be that big of a difference.
If you have that then yeah, that'd be just as good. Phil & George are pretty good with the ideas.
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I don't have my camera with me. The swirls are completely invisible at night and only visible in the sunlight. The have the 3d appearance.
Swirls always show up in the sun light that's why as most other detailers we like using the sun light to see defects in their full glory.

I find that when I'm getting rid of holograms made by say a client that is too anxious or a less experienced detailer, the combo of blue finishing pad and 85rd does the trick. If that doesn't work try white pad with 85RD and if that doesn't work white pad with Power Finish then use the blue finishing pad with 85rd.

Former_boosted_si I would suggest that before you do damage to your vehicle you go to the junkyard and get a bmw panel hopefully of similar colour and try to do a trial and error on the panel.

When I personally dry vehicles I never have pressure on the drying towel. I let it fall onto the area and then I just pull the towel towards me. Also using a good drying towel helps a lot. I'm sure george and phil can help you in that department.

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Swirls always show up in the sun light that's why as most other detailers we like using the sun light to see defects in their full glory.

I find that when I'm getting rid of holograms made by say a client that is too anxious or a less experienced detailer, the combo of blue finishing pad and 85rd does the trick. If that doesn't work try white pad with 85RD and if that doesn't work white pad with Power Finish then use the blue finishing pad with 85rd.

Former_boosted_si I would suggest that before you do damage to your vehicle you go to the junkyard and get a bmw panel hopefully of similar colour and try to do a trial and error on the panel.

When I personally dry vehicles I never have pressure on the drying towel. I let it fall onto the area and then I just pull the towel towards me. Also using a good drying towel helps a lot. I'm sure george and phil can help you in that department.

Cheers,
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Hope that helps.
I did a full detail with my flex already without any problems and the results were great!

My problem in the drying process is how do you use no pressure on the towel and avoid the dreaded water spots?
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You could always rinse your vehicle with distilled water or by using CRspotless.

In terms of drying let the MF towel fall onto the vehicle then use a pull motion to gather the water on the mf. The water will be picked up by the MF. Have 3 drying towels. Take one and go through the vehicle once, then use the second and do the same. If you still seem some moisture or dampness use the third towel.

Also sheeting water off your vehicle helps in the drying process. Sheeting = take off whatever spray nozzle you have on your hose and just let the water run naturally from the hose.
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You could always rinse your vehicle with distilled water or by using CRspotless.

In terms of drying let the MF towel fall onto the vehicle then use a pull motion to gather the water on the mf. The water will be picked up by the MF. Have 3 drying towels. Take one and go through the vehicle once, then use the second and do the same. If you still seem some moisture or dampness use the third towel.

Also sheeting water off your vehicle helps in the drying process. Sheeting = take off whatever spray nozzle you have on your hose and just let the water run naturally from the hose.
Ok. My real problem is that the car has some light on it when I am drying it. I just don't have a location that is completely sun free. That means after the first MF pass, any water left will evaporate fast. I do the 3 drying towel method too. It is kind of frusterating.
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Using distilled water or using the CRspotless system will help alot.

Try distilled water. It should be fairly inexpensive.

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Using distilled water or using the CRspotless system will help alot.

Try distilled water. It should be fairly inexpensive.

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Nick, how would I spray the distilled water on the car? Is the CR really worth that price? I would have to spend that much and not end up happy.
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Bump for CRspotless
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i have a cR spotless, i use it after every wash because the water unfiltered here in miami can be pretty hard. but i still use a drying towel after to take off the excess, and i only use the CR for the final rinse.

only problem with the CR is you get about 200 gallons of clean water per refill on the resin... is it worth it? thats up to you...

just make sure you are using quaity wash products, and following the proper method.

3 buckets, a wool mitt, and NEVER let anything that touches wheels touch paint, even the bucket. also make sure you are using quality microfiber drying towels, like the ones from DD or CG.
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Scheer is right. It's worth it if you think it is. The cost does add up but it's your car. Try the distilled water first and see if you like the results.

In terms of the application of the distilled water just sheet the water off from the large bottle although maybe a long process or you can use one of those large pump sprays that you find at home depot. Put in the distilled water and pump away.
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