BMW BREWS TURBOCHARGED 3-SERIES?? - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Jason · 04-21-2005, 07:51 AM

According to this week's Autocar (UK) (4/21/05):

BMW is to launch an uprated version, the 335i. Due on the mainland in just over a year and in the UK six months later, it will feature a turbo-charged version of the 3.0-litre petrol engine found in the 330i. This boosts power by 72bhp to around 330bhp, which is just 13bhp short of the current 3.2-litre M3, and looks likely to get you to 60mph from rest in some six seconds.

The turbos will be fitted so that one works at lower engine speeds to boost low-end torque, while the other picks up higher up the rev range. Autocar speculates that it will be mated to a DSG-alike double-clutch gearbox, for seamless shifting.

According to this week's Autocar, which broke the story, it's intended to plug the gap between the 330i and the forthcoming M3, and will have a 4.0-litre powerplant shoe-horned in, along with a hefty price. That won't launch until 2007.
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Still hardly fact, and we've been hearing this rumor for a while now, but it would be fun to see a turbocharged 3.

bimmerphreak · 04-21-2005, 10:59 AM

If this is turbo thing true that means there'll finally be a bmw you can squeeze more hp's out of without shelling out huge bucks, or at least your dollar per hp increase will be much lower. I'm excited... turbo in a bmw

Tierfreund · 04-21-2005, 11:12 AM

It´s an old rumor but far from fact.
Let´s take that with a grain of salt please.

MarkE90M3 · 04-21-2005, 01:11 PM

horrible old rumor, i'll believe it when I see it (i dont think i will see it

voltron1011 · 04-25-2005, 04:15 AM

I think BMW is like Honda with regards to turbos. With the exception of diesels, I think they want to stay away from forced induction. Reason is simple: Turbos generally don't last the life of the car. I think both companies want their engines to hold up for a very long time, and this is not possible with turbos. I have had several turbo cars in the past, and you are lucky to get 150,000 miles on the turbos before a rebuild is neccesary. Most engines these days can easily go over 200,000 miles. Diesel turbos are alittle different because diesel motors are much more thermo-dynamically efficient, meaning they harness more power from the combustion process, thus reducing exhaust temperatures. Turbos generally hold up better on diesel applications because there is far less heat generated around the turbine assemble where the bearings sit. Also, there is no other way to make diesels efficient other than turbos, so I don't think either company had much choice in the matter.

Majikthese42 · 04-30-2005, 09:25 PM

I have nearly 160,000 miles on my Volvo T5 wagon, and it still has the original turbocharger and still uses absolutely no oil between routine oil changes. Manufacturers have been building turbocharged cars for nearly years and have most of the kinks worked out now.

With respect to BMW, there was a project with KKK/BorgWarner to develop a twin-turbo 6-cylinder E60 5-series.

The project was scuttled, I hear, because the HP output was close enough to the V8 that there would be little reason to purchase the V8. It would be VERY nice if there were to be a turbo 3-series but I'm not going to hold my breath.

kchika · 05-01-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

horrible old rumor, i'll believe it when I see it (i dont think i will see it

Same here.

soon2be90 · 05-01-2005, 01:24 AM

I really need to be teased

about 300++hp in a JR. M3, I don't think BMW needs to bridge the gap between the 330i and the M3, especially with the added cost of $7-10k, the price would be to close to the M3. :mad: Anyway I hope BMW does'nt throw an extra 70 or 80 hp in my face in a year, since I'm paying a premium for my new 330i. Also if most PUBS. are testing the new 330i in mid to high 5's 0-60 and this turbo might be equipped with 330hp, nearly identical to the current M3, should'nt 0-60 times be about the same? 4.6-5.0 secs.

I don't want to see BMW sell out on Turbocharging unless its on a true supercar

to compete with the Porsche GT's and Ferraris of the world.

ck1129 · 12-03-2006, 02:14 AM

lol at this thread hahaha

Ryan@Motorwerks · 12-03-2006, 07:50 PM

I call bs

Chesmu · 12-03-2006, 09:31 PM

hey you last two... you realize the thread is 1 1/2 years old, right?

canucklion · 12-03-2006, 09:35 PM

apparently not

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Originally Posted by Chesmu

hey you last two... you realize the thread is 1 1/2 years old, right?

ck1129 · 12-03-2006, 09:56 PM

yes i do lol. i found it last night, and i just bumped it since i found it funny.

dmboone25 · 12-04-2006, 06:32 PM

So much for rumors......

jasper · 12-04-2006, 06:46 PM

this is wrong... it's going to be a 3.5 liter naturally aspirated

I've seen the block!

Snakeii · 12-05-2006, 10:13 PM

BMW is to launch an uprated version, the 335i. Due on the mainland in just over a year and in the UK six months later, it will feature a turbo-charged version of the 3.0-litre petrol engine found in the 330i. This boosts power by 72bhp to around 330bhp, which is just 13bhp short of the current 3.2-litre M3, and looks likely to get you to 60mph from rest in some six seconds

standard e90 330i can do 0-60 in 5.862 seconds (best ever recorded) ive had mine do it in just under 6 seconds with a onbord computer and the 335 does it in 5.5

04-21-2005, 07:51 AM	#1
Jason Administrator Drives: 4 wheels on the bus go round.. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: IoT Posts: 6,337 iTrader: (0) View Jason's Garage	BMW BREWS TURBOCHARGED 3-SERIES?? According to this week's Autocar (UK) (4/21/05): BMW is to launch an uprated version, the 335i. Due on the mainland in just over a year and in the UK six months later, it will feature a turbo-charged version of the 3.0-litre petrol engine found in the 330i. This boosts power by 72bhp to around 330bhp, which is just 13bhp short of the current 3.2-litre M3, and looks likely to get you to 60mph from rest in some six seconds. The turbos will be fitted so that one works at lower engine speeds to boost low-end torque, while the other picks up higher up the rev range. Autocar speculates that it will be mated to a DSG-alike double-clutch gearbox, for seamless shifting. According to this week's Autocar, which broke the story, it's intended to plug the gap between the 330i and the forthcoming M3, and will have a 4.0-litre powerplant shoe-horned in, along with a hefty price. That won't launch until 2007. _____________________________________ Still hardly fact, and we've been hearing this rumor for a while now, but it would be fun to see a turbocharged 3.

04-21-2005, 01:11 PM	#4
MarkE90M3 Administrator Drives: E46 / E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 3,349 iTrader: (1) View MarkE90M3's Garage	horrible old rumor, i'll believe it when I see it (i dont think i will see it __________________ BMWJOY

12-03-2006, 02:14 AM	#9
ck1129 First Lieutenant Drives: 2006 325i Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 276 iTrader: (0)	lol at this thread hahaha __________________ e90 325i \| Eisenmann Race Exhaust with resonator delete Coming soon : Black and White BMW roundels, Black out grill.

12-03-2006, 09:31 PM	#11
Chesmu Brigadier General Drives: 2006 330i 6-mt Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 3,027 iTrader: (2) View Chesmu's Garage	hey you last two... you realize the thread is 1 1/2 years old, right? __________________ "Teach the ignorant. Ignore the stupid."

12-03-2006, 09:56 PM	#13
ck1129 First Lieutenant Drives: 2006 325i Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 276 iTrader: (0)	yes i do lol. i found it last night, and i just bumped it since i found it funny. __________________ e90 325i \| Eisenmann Race Exhaust with resonator delete Coming soon : Black and White BMW roundels, Black out grill.

04-21-2005, 10:59 AM	#2
bimmerphreak Enlisted Member Drives: 03 330ci Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 44 iTrader: (0)	If this is turbo thing true that means there'll finally be a bmw you can squeeze more hp's out of without shelling out huge bucks, or at least your dollar per hp increase will be much lower. I'm excited... turbo in a bmw

04-21-2005, 11:12 AM	#3
Tierfreund Major Drives: E90 330i Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 1,003 iTrader: (0)	It´s an old rumor but far from fact. Let´s take that with a grain of salt please.

04-25-2005, 04:15 AM	#5
voltron1011 Colonel Drives: 325i, Rav-4 V6, FJR-1300 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: In transit Posts: 2,894 iTrader: (2)	I think BMW is like Honda with regards to turbos. With the exception of diesels, I think they want to stay away from forced induction. Reason is simple: Turbos generally don't last the life of the car. I think both companies want their engines to hold up for a very long time, and this is not possible with turbos. I have had several turbo cars in the past, and you are lucky to get 150,000 miles on the turbos before a rebuild is neccesary. Most engines these days can easily go over 200,000 miles. Diesel turbos are alittle different because diesel motors are much more thermo-dynamically efficient, meaning they harness more power from the combustion process, thus reducing exhaust temperatures. Turbos generally hold up better on diesel applications because there is far less heat generated around the turbine assemble where the bearings sit. Also, there is no other way to make diesels efficient other than turbos, so I don't think either company had much choice in the matter.

04-30-2005, 09:25 PM	#6
Majikthese42 Philosopher-king Drives: E91 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: People's Republic of New Jersey Posts: 791 iTrader: (0)	I have nearly 160,000 miles on my Volvo T5 wagon, and it still has the original turbocharger and still uses absolutely no oil between routine oil changes. Manufacturers have been building turbocharged cars for nearly years and have most of the kinks worked out now. With respect to BMW, there was a project with KKK/BorgWarner to develop a twin-turbo 6-cylinder E60 5-series. The project was scuttled, I hear, because the HP output was close enough to the V8 that there would be little reason to purchase the V8. It would be VERY nice if there were to be a turbo 3-series but I'm not going to hold my breath.

05-01-2005, 01:24 AM	#8
soon2be90 Private First Class Drives: 06' 330i Sport Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere N. of Seattle Posts: 82 iTrader: (0) View soon2be90's Garage	I really need to be teased about 300++hp in a JR. M3, I don't think BMW needs to bridge the gap between the 330i and the M3, especially with the added cost of $7-10k, the price would be to close to the M3. :mad: Anyway I hope BMW does'nt throw an extra 70 or 80 hp in my face in a year, since I'm paying a premium for my new 330i. Also if most PUBS. are testing the new 330i in mid to high 5's 0-60 and this turbo might be equipped with 330hp, nearly identical to the current M3, should'nt 0-60 times be about the same? 4.6-5.0 secs. I don't want to see BMW sell out on Turbocharging unless its on a true supercar to compete with the Porsche GT's and Ferraris of the world.

12-03-2006, 07:50 PM	#10
Ryan@Motorwerks Captain Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 944 iTrader: (0)	I call bs

12-04-2006, 06:32 PM	#14
dmboone25 Brigadier General Drives: 2008 E82 135i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL & Indianapolis IN Posts: 3,389 iTrader: (0) View dmboone25's Garage	So much for rumors...... __________________ 2008 E82 135i--AW, Black Dakota Leather, High Gloss Black Trim, MT, Premium, Sport, Cold Weather.

12-04-2006, 06:46 PM	#15
jasper Private First Class Drives: 2002 325i Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Ramon, CA Posts: 106 iTrader: (0)	this is wrong... it's going to be a 3.5 liter naturally aspirated I've seen the block!

12-05-2006, 10:13 PM	#16
Snakeii Second Lieutenant Drives: 330iSE E90 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 191 iTrader: (0)	BMW is to launch an uprated version, the 335i. Due on the mainland in just over a year and in the UK six months later, it will feature a turbo-charged version of the 3.0-litre petrol engine found in the 330i. This boosts power by 72bhp to around 330bhp, which is just 13bhp short of the current 3.2-litre M3, and looks likely to get you to 60mph from rest in some six seconds standard e90 330i can do 0-60 in 5.862 seconds (best ever recorded) ive had mine do it in just under 6 seconds with a onbord computer and the 335 does it in 5.5