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      06-15-2009, 11:52 AM   #23
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I can see a splash of blood on the video
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      06-15-2009, 11:54 AM   #24
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My friend has a 08 Yamaha R1 that he likes to go nuts on the GSP with. I'm forwarding this video to him.
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      06-15-2009, 12:09 PM   #25
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I can see a splash of blood on the video

Yep - can see it easily - its his body/head being obliterated
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      06-15-2009, 12:25 PM   #26
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      06-15-2009, 01:21 PM   #27
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I cant see his head gettign ripped off.. How can you? Video is poor quality and cut off at the end.
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      06-15-2009, 01:29 PM   #28
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can we ditch the thread. makes me sad eveytime i see it
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      06-15-2009, 01:41 PM   #29
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      06-15-2009, 02:43 PM   #30
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How was it clear...

The guy in the car went to overtake with a camper van coming...
Legitimate under the ruling of 130. Especially if the white car was going very slow or stopping due to whatever reason......

The hashed area is there to give people that room but to prevent a 'normal' overtaking lane. Most likely they decided a 3rd lane would not be needed or be too dangerous.
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I cant see his head gettign ripped off.. How can you? Video is poor quality and cut off at the end.
and thank god the video is edited as it is. Makes for very sad viewing indeed.
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Legitimate under the ruling of 130. Especially if the white car was going very slow or stopping due to whatever reason......

The hashed area is there to give people that room but to prevent a 'normal' overtaking lane. Most likely they decided a 3rd lane would not be needed or be too dangerous.
You are quite right, as you say, we have a couple of areas locally like that and for the very reasons you state - to discourage overtaking where there isn't really room/safe to do so.
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      06-15-2009, 03:18 PM   #33
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and thank god the video is edited as it is. Makes for very sad viewing indeed.
Yes i agree, but a few have said they can see it when you clearly cant.
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Yes i agree, but a few have said they can see it when you clearly cant.
make the video full screen and look carefully from 2:21 to 2:22... You will see the biker getting KABUM
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      06-15-2009, 04:14 PM   #35
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make the video full screen and look carefully from 2:21 to 2:22... You will see the biker getting KABUM
I'd rather not (with respect) I can't get that bloody image out of my head ever since I saw it. Making it bigger and watching it again/again isn't my cup of tea.

Call me a wimp, but I find it quite upsetting to watch.
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I'm also struggling to work out the fascination to obviously watch something so sad and horrific in specific, full screen, slowed down detail.

The intent and point being?
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      06-15-2009, 05:53 PM   #37
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How was it clear...

The guy in the car went to overtake with a camper van coming...
The car had no difficulty making the overtake and avoiding the camper van.

The biker rode into the back of the car and the impact threw him into the path of the van.

Awful business, but no-one elses fault.
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What you don't expect is for a biker to try to 'push' a car driver into aborting an overtake.

In a 50:50 situation it's pretty much common sense for the smaller vehicle to give way, purely out of self preservation.

If I was driving a car in the outer lane of a dual carriageway and a 40 tonne HGV started to pull into my lane in front of me I wouldn't try to assert my position. I'd slap on the anchors and get out of his way.

I agree though, this must have been truly dreadful for everyone involved.
i get what you are saying. my point was that there is always a small chance that the smaller vehicle will try to push through and you can never be completely sure. occupants of cars are often protected by the frame but a biker is completely exposed will fly once hit. one should be especially careful around bikes as the chance of greater injury are higher.
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i get what you are saying. my point was that there is always a small chance that the smaller vehicle will try to push through and you can never be completely sure. occupants of cars are often protected by the frame but a biker is completely exposed will fly once hit. one should be especially careful around bikes as the chance of greater injury are higher.
Agreed, but the first and most important person who needs to take care to protect themselves is the biker.
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Absolutely tragic for all concerned.

As an-ex biker I'm not sure I would have over taken at that point but that's easy to say. I can see the 'rights and wrongs' from both sides. All I will say is that unless you've ridden a motorbike and I mean a proper bike, then it's hard for non bikers to grasp 'everything' about bikes.

Certainly DO NOT understand nor wish to understand why the video footage needs to be dissected ffs!!
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I think this video should be used to promote safe riding as there is an alarming increase in dangerous riders around London.

They need to realise they they are putting at risk their own lives and the people around them will suffer.

and yes, there are bad car drivers aswell....but bikers are definitely worse and the consequences can often be very very bad....as shown by this video!
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The car had no difficulty making the overtake and avoiding the camper van.

The biker rode into the back of the car and the impact threw him into the path of the van.

Awful business, but no-one elses fault.
+1

The bike was doing 100mph at that point - thats covering over 44 metres per SECOND!, how can a car driver possibly judge something approaching at that speed. If he looked a second before he made the manouvre, the bike would have been over 44m away. The traffic was doing no more than about 40mph at the time, the bikes were doing 2.5 times that speed.

Such a tragic waste of life but no one else to blame but themselves. I feel especially sorry for the van driver as he had no chance to react and the aftermath must have been horrific to witness.
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Perhaps bikes 'catch the attention more' because there are less of them. The vast majority of bikers I see nowadays are riding alot more sensibly than others from years ago including myself. Ok, there was less traffic about then but all the same these days, they do seem to ride more cautiously.

Anyhow, I'm not getting into a war of words with people who have never ridden a motorbike - been there, done that and worn the friggin T shirt out.
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