Why I am not buying a 3 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Steelhead · 06-19-2009, 08:09 PM

The 3 series has made my short list twice when I have been in the market for a new car. And it's been rejected in 2007 and again for this Fall's 2010 model year. I like everything about it -- styling, handling, German etc... Why then you ask? Simply, the engine choices suck. The 328 is underpowered for a car in this price range. Let's face it every v6 accord, Toyota, and even Chevy will kick the snot out of you and the 335 is turbo powered. In my opinion, turbos are unreliable, thirsty, hot, expensive, and again-unreliable. You don't have to go any further than the posts on this board to figure that out. The whole purpose of a turbo is to force more power out of an undersized motor therefore shortening the engine life (I drive 30k a year). What is even more annoying is they make a sweet engine package, the 330 that they offer in Europe at 272 hp normally aspirated sounds pretty perfect to me. I am not a speed demon but I like to be able to merge and pass with some power if necessary. It seems that the marketing boys at BMW think that Americans and Canadians are unworthy of a smart choice. Please don't suggest that a 70k+ M is a practical option for 30k miles a year of commuting and business driving. As Chris Rock would say, I am rich, but not wealthy.

Saintor · 06-19-2009, 08:18 PM

You can't be for real.

MSport335i · 06-19-2009, 08:20 PM

maybe you should just go buy a honda

stickypaws · 06-19-2009, 08:21 PM

I'm not sure if this is just a rant or you're trolling (you just registered and drive a Ford pickup truck) ?

But what you're saying is pretty well understood by everybody. And it's also pretty subjective. I prefer NA motors but using blowers has been going on for a long time in the automobile world. Nothing wrong with that. Some of the world's greatest cars have FI..... past and present.

Don't forget that manufacturers market cars in various parts of the world for various reasons. Also they build motors not to just please a few people, but to be profitable.

jmunro · 06-19-2009, 08:21 PM

Uh, I dont think anyone cares why you don't want a 3 series.

Bobby_Light · 06-19-2009, 08:22 PM

I have had two E90 335s. Likely going on my third very shortly. Have had one unscheduled trip to the dealer. My cars have never stayed overnight for service. The N54 far from "sucks" and has been very reliable for me.

NaTuReB0Y · 06-19-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSport335i

maybe you should just go by a honda

+1

RambleJ · 06-19-2009, 08:23 PM

Get a Hyundai Genesis 3.8 and call it a day

jack1526 · 06-19-2009, 08:23 PM

a 128i might be right for you then

Roowah · 06-19-2009, 08:23 PM

Personal choice I suppose.

On a side note, thanks for making me feel even better about my 330i!

gos · 06-19-2009, 08:23 PM

You drive a Ford, how would you know anything about good cars?

seej333 · 06-19-2009, 08:24 PM

is your Ford F-350 a TURBO diesel?

cougfan335 · 06-19-2009, 08:25 PM

Yeah you keep driving that F350 30k miles a year, that is clearly the practical choice. If you need to pull a horse trailer all over the country the 3 series is a poor choice anyways. If you take a look around the forum a bit more and check out the mod potential of the 335 you might get why people are buying them.

jzhang · 06-19-2009, 08:25 PM

Topless 335i · 06-19-2009, 08:28 PM

What were you expecting from posting this?

wakeboarder109 · 06-19-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmunro

Uh, I dont think anyone cares why you don't want a 3 series.

exactly what I was thinking.

armenh · 06-19-2009, 08:35 PM

you rant yet on a previous post you stated,

"I've pretty much fallen in love with the new E90's and have been giving serious thought to ordering one."

Blk07335i · 06-19-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelhead

The 3 series has made my short list twice when I have been in the market for a new car. And it's been rejected in 2007 and again for this Fall's 2010 model year. I like everything about it -- styling, handling, German etc... Why then you ask? Simply, the engine choices suck. The 328 is underpowered for a car in this price range. Let's face it every v6 accord, Toyota, and even Chevy will kick the snot out of you and the 335 is turbo powered. In my opinion, turbos are unreliable, thirsty, hot, expensive, and again-unreliable. You don't have to go any further than the posts on this board to figure that out. The whole purpose of a turbo is to force more power out of an undersized motor therefore shortening the engine life (I drive 30k a year). What is even more annoying is they make a sweet engine package, the 330 that they offer in Europe at 272 hp normally aspirated sounds pretty perfect to me. I am not a speed demon but I like to be able to merge and pass with some power if necessary. It seems that the marketing boys at BMW think that Americans and Canadians are unworthy of a smart choice. Please don't suggest that a 70k+ M is a practical option for 30k miles a year of commuting and business driving. As Chris Rock would say, I am rich, but not wealthy.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273706

Army335xi · 06-19-2009, 08:46 PM

I just left a honda for the 335xi... It may have it faults, and problems (but what car doesn't at some point?) If you let everyone else's failures and problems influence your decision that is your choice, but don't come onto a forum to state why you won't buy it... Most of the people here really don't care... They bought one and are happy with it, so what you say will mean nothing to them... Now maybe you should have posted this up on a car review website, or something, but seeing how you don't actually OWN a 335 or 328, or other 3 series vehicle you should refrain from commenting how you won't buy this car (without any real experience with it)

reyoasian · 06-19-2009, 08:47 PM

1. I really think you need a life instead of registering to forums just to rant about it?
2. If you don't like it then don't buy it, go buy your honda then? no one needs to know about your miserable life.
3. you will get no attention in a honda, we will get all the attention we want in our BMW.
4. BMW and Mercedes-Benz are the #1 cars in the world for a reason. It's also a reason that honda/toyota/chevy aren't.
5. honda/toyota TRIES to make "luxury" cars with the CHEAPEST material. Engine isn't everything. I know this not from personal guesses, but this is what a salesman at a Honda dealer told me straight up.
5. chevy is garbage. GM is trash.
6. you drive a ford....
7. BMW FTW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by armenh

you rant yet on a previous post you stated,

"I've pretty much fallen in love with the new E90's and have been giving serious thought to ordering one."

+1

Steelhead · 06-19-2009, 09:21 PM

It was 2005 when I first looked at the 3. (no coupe then and first year of new car) Chill, I need that Ford, it pushes the snow out of the drive in winter (500ft driveway) and launches boats in spring and pulls them out in the fall. 2005 is hardly a "new register" I just don't hang out here being that I don't drive a BMW currently. And as a matter of fact I am quite familiar with v6 accords as thats what I keep my wife and daughters in and they blow the doors off a 328i on a freeway ramp (I have test drove recently). My question is why don't they offer the 330 in the U.S.? In my opinion, as a consumer, you are getting screwed with no choice in what is a fine automobile.

TurboSpecC · 06-19-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelhead

In my opinion, turbos are unreliable, thirsty, hot, expensive, and again-unreliable.

You obviously aren't familiar with the 335, or the engine which has won international engine of the year in 2007, 2008 and was best in class for 2009. Saying all turbo engines are unreliable and hot (but cooled...) is a pretty naive generalization. It's like saying all fords are POS and Found On Road Dead; a statement that is certainly untrue.

FYI I get 32.7 mpg at 70 mph with A/C on in my 335, hows that F350 do?

The 330 isnt offered in the U.S. since to sell an entry luxury sedan in America you have to offer a 3__ hp _-6 engine; fill in the blank however you like. The twin turbo motor attracted a whole group of enthusiasts, such as myself, who would not have considered a non-M BMW before. As you said, the 328 could get beaten up by an Accord, but 328 owners buy their cars for the handling. If this has to be explained, you probably shouldn't be looking at one anyways - not an insult, it just makes no sense to pay the premium prices for these cars if you don't take full advantage of what they were designed to do. I sure as hell wouldn't recommend a (new) 3-series to any non-enthusiast.

06-19-2009, 08:23 PM	#9
jack1526 Major Drives: black 335i e90 PRE-LCI Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,170 iTrader: (8) View jack1526's Garage	a 128i might be right for you then __________________

06-19-2009, 08:23 PM	#10
Roowah Lieutenant Drives: 2006 E90 330i 6MT Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 597 iTrader: (0)	Personal choice I suppose. On a side note, thanks for making me feel even better about my 330i! __________________ 2006 E90 330i 6MT: TiAg\|Black Leather\|Poplar Trim\|Premium Package\|Cold Weather Package 2003 E46 325i 5MT: Retired - The beginning of my BMW obsession!

06-19-2009, 08:23 PM	#11
gos Captain Drives: E90 330xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 816 iTrader: (0)	You drive a Ford, how would you know anything about good cars? __________________ -- 330xi SG/Terra/Burl -- ZPP, ZSP, ZCW, CA, Sirius, PDC

06-19-2009, 08:24 PM	#12
seej333 Private First Class Drives: 335i E92 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 125 iTrader: (1)	is your Ford F-350 a TURBO diesel? __________________ ____________ \| Dinan Stage 2 \| KW V2 \| VMR V710 \| ? \|

06-19-2009, 08:25 PM	#13
cougfan335 First Lieutenant Drives: 335i Coupe MT, Montego/Saddle Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 319 iTrader: (4)	Yeah you keep driving that F350 30k miles a year, that is clearly the practical choice. If you need to pull a horse trailer all over the country the 3 series is a poor choice anyways. If you take a look around the forum a bit more and check out the mod potential of the 335 you might get why people are buying them. __________________ e92 335i: Montego, Saddle Brown, Burl Walnut, MT, Sport, Prem, CW, PDC, Rear Shade. Mods: JB+, BMS Dual Intake, Cyba Scoops, Beyern Mesh Chrome, 15% F1 tint, LeatherZ weighted shift knob, body color reflectors, ACS roof spoiler.

06-19-2009, 08:09 PM	#1
Steelhead New Member Drives: Ford F-350 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MI Posts: 5 iTrader: (0)	Why I am not buying a 3 The 3 series has made my short list twice when I have been in the market for a new car. And it's been rejected in 2007 and again for this Fall's 2010 model year. I like everything about it -- styling, handling, German etc... Why then you ask? Simply, the engine choices suck. The 328 is underpowered for a car in this price range. Let's face it every v6 accord, Toyota, and even Chevy will kick the snot out of you and the 335 is turbo powered. In my opinion, turbos are unreliable, thirsty, hot, expensive, and again-unreliable. You don't have to go any further than the posts on this board to figure that out. The whole purpose of a turbo is to force more power out of an undersized motor therefore shortening the engine life (I drive 30k a year). What is even more annoying is they make a sweet engine package, the 330 that they offer in Europe at 272 hp normally aspirated sounds pretty perfect to me. I am not a speed demon but I like to be able to merge and pass with some power if necessary. It seems that the marketing boys at BMW think that Americans and Canadians are unworthy of a smart choice. Please don't suggest that a 70k+ M is a practical option for 30k miles a year of commuting and business driving. As Chris Rock would say, I am rich, but not wealthy.

06-19-2009, 08:18 PM	#2
Saintor Banned Drives: E90 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MTL, Canada Posts: 1,005 iTrader: (0)	You can't be for real.

06-19-2009, 08:20 PM	#3
MSport335i Second Lieutenant Drives: e90 335i ZMP Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: FL Posts: 264 iTrader: (0)	maybe you should just go buy a honda

06-19-2009, 08:21 PM	#4
stickypaws coasting downhill Drives: E63 AMG; 993 C4S; E46 330i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: On the beach Posts: 1,158 iTrader: (0)	I'm not sure if this is just a rant or you're trolling (you just registered and drive a Ford pickup truck) ? But what you're saying is pretty well understood by everybody. And it's also pretty subjective. I prefer NA motors but using blowers has been going on for a long time in the automobile world. Nothing wrong with that. Some of the world's greatest cars have FI..... past and present. Don't forget that manufacturers market cars in various parts of the world for various reasons. Also they build motors not to just please a few people, but to be profitable.

06-19-2009, 08:21 PM	#5
jmunro Private Drives: Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 98 iTrader: (0)	Uh, I dont think anyone cares why you don't want a 3 series.

06-19-2009, 08:22 PM	#6
Bobby_Light Major Drives: E66 750Li Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,255 iTrader: (13)	I have had two E90 335s. Likely going on my third very shortly. Have had one unscheduled trip to the dealer. My cars have never stayed overnight for service. The N54 far from "sucks" and has been very reliable for me.

06-19-2009, 08:23 PM	#8
RambleJ Captain Drives: 335i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: So Cal Posts: 981 iTrader: (1)	Get a Hyundai Genesis 3.8 and call it a day

06-19-2009, 08:25 PM	#14
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06-19-2009, 08:28 PM	#15
Topless 335i Captain Drives: AW E93 335i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 606 iTrader: (1)	What were you expecting from posting this?

06-19-2009, 08:35 PM	#17
armenh Major Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,155 iTrader: (0)	you rant yet on a previous post you stated, "I've pretty much fallen in love with the new E90's and have been giving serious thought to ordering one." __________________ 2008 E90 335i-----> AW, with Beige Leatherette, i-Drive, iPod, etc..

06-19-2009, 08:46 PM	#19
Army335xi First Lieutenant Drives: Why? We ain't racing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Bronx, NY Posts: 391 iTrader: (0)	I just left a honda for the 335xi... It may have it faults, and problems (but what car doesn't at some point?) If you let everyone else's failures and problems influence your decision that is your choice, but don't come onto a forum to state why you won't buy it... Most of the people here really don't care... They bought one and are happy with it, so what you say will mean nothing to them... Now maybe you should have posted this up on a car review website, or something, but seeing how you don't actually OWN a 335 or 328, or other 3 series vehicle you should refrain from commenting how you won't buy this car (without any real experience with it) __________________ Everything i say is to make myself more knowledge. This means I MAY or MAY NOT use MODS, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it Current Low LVL MODS: INJEN DCI, Resonator Delete

06-19-2009, 09:21 PM	#21
Steelhead New Member Drives: Ford F-350 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MI Posts: 5 iTrader: (0)	Your right It was 2005 when I first looked at the 3. (no coupe then and first year of new car) Chill, I need that Ford, it pushes the snow out of the drive in winter (500ft driveway) and launches boats in spring and pulls them out in the fall. 2005 is hardly a "new register" I just don't hang out here being that I don't drive a BMW currently. And as a matter of fact I am quite familiar with v6 accords as thats what I keep my wife and daughters in and they blow the doors off a 328i on a freeway ramp (I have test drove recently). My question is why don't they offer the 330 in the U.S.? In my opinion, as a consumer, you are getting screwed with no choice in what is a fine automobile.