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      11-28-2014, 04:52 PM   #1
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Parking Charge Notice

Sigh, so apparently i seemed to have parked in a private car park for 45 minutes this one evening and 3 weeks later, i get a letter down my house stating i've been charged 60 quid :|

My fault of course for ignoring the rules but i was only there for 45 minutes and it was between half 8 to 9:15 in the evening. They have their cameras on 24/7 to catch out unsuspecting folks.

My question is, how enforceable are these fines since they ain't directly from the coppers?




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      11-28-2014, 04:55 PM   #2
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If not from the police or council it may not be enforceable. Best to check the latest on moneysupermarket.com as the regulations have changed recently
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      11-28-2014, 05:01 PM   #3
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Go and see if there are signs in the car park.
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      11-28-2014, 05:04 PM   #4
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it's from some other company it seems, added the pic on first post.

and Sparky, it probably does have a sign tbh, not going to go back to check since it's a 10 mile drive lol.
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As I said though, regs have changed recently and where before you could just chuck it in the bin, now you better check.
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      11-28-2014, 05:31 PM   #7
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From what I recall, its not enforceable. A car park contract is between the car park and the driver - this is sent to the registered owner of the car. They need to identify who that is, with or without your help. It states Parking Charge Notice, not Penalty Charge Notice/Fixed Penalty Notice.

Basically, ignore it. They will likely write again (many times), ignore all, do not communicate back.

See more details here:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=46975

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2273989

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=1363571

I had this happen to me in regards to parking in a parent and child back at Ikea retail park in Nottingham, I ignored it. (I was not in the wrong to park there,, just assumed as no car seat in the car, there was not kid. Ever heard of putting the car seat on your pram base?)

A further point is that I believe in any case, they can only fine you for the equivalent loss of earnings (assuming you did not pay/display etc). So it would be 45 mins worth of parking, not 60.

Anyway, just ignore it.
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Whatever you do do not ignore it. Parking eye are known to be litigenous. Get over to pepipoo and read posts or register and post for advice. Basically you need to appeal which PE will dismiss and you then need to appeal using a template letter to POPLA.
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      11-28-2014, 05:46 PM   #9
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I signed up to this! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...car-parks.html
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NEVER ignore anything like this until you know you are in the right.
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I went on their website and lodged an appeal.

Basically, i said it's pretty unfair to be charged with a penalty because:

A) Parking for 45 minutes on a Sunday night would have caused you no harm
B) You conveniently leave your barriers up, you should have them down if you don't want people to park. I believe this is a cheap way to catch out unsuspecting folks who are not from the city for some easy cash.
C) In the event that you decline this appeal, i will raise this with the POPLA service.

What ever happens, next time i'm gonna have to be careful :P
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Just ignore it..... As said earlier, if not from the council or police, you don't have to pay it

This comes from someone who got a banning order from NCP for not paying their fines!
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If its not from police or council ignore it, if it is from the council then just appeal it. I've never paid a single parking charge in my life.

I may be biased though, I used to work for the council
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Say it wasn't you; your plates had clearly been cloned. The onus is upon them to prove it was you.
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I went on their website and lodged an appeal.

Basically, i said it's pretty unfair to be charged with a penalty because:

A) Parking for 45 minutes on a Sunday night would have caused you no harm
B) You conveniently leave your barriers up, you should have them down if you don't want people to park. I believe this is a cheap way to catch out unsuspecting folks who are not from the city for some easy cash.
C) In the event that you decline this appeal, i will raise this with the POPLA service.

What ever happens, next time i'm gonna have to be careful :P
Ahhh, bugger. You have admitted it was you...
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Sigh, so apparently i seemed to have parked in a private car park for 45 minutes this one evening and 3 weeks later, i get a letter down my house stating i've been charged 60 quid :|

My fault of course for ignoring the rules but i was only there for 45 minutes and it was between half 8 to 9:15 in the evening. They have their cameras on 24/7 to catch out unsuspecting folks.

My question is, how enforceable are these fines since they ain't directly from the coppers?



I had one from the exact same company a while back, same letter template etc. You can just ignore them and eventually they give up spamming you. There's a topic on moneysaving expert somewhere with details of the letter templates these companies use to send out, so you can check what letter your going to get next lol.

Just ignore them unless its from the council, I've ignored loads over the years. It was featured on watchdog a year or two ago and their advice was to make a paper plane out of the letter haha!!
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They can charge you if the car park has the correct DVLA signage. Typically over the years these systems were independent and could not charge you as they weren't linked with the DVLA, this has now changed.

As sparky said, go to the car park and check the signage.
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How many times..... If it's not issued by the Police or Council.... YOU JUST IGNORE ALL THE LETTERS!

No one have ever been taken to court for parking on private land & not paying the charge / fine.

A simple way to think about it.... someone parks on your driveway & you slap on a fine for 1 or 1,000,000.... how are you going to enforce it?

You can only get a CCJ etc if taken to court! Imagine if this started happening... The courts would only ever be dealing with parking charges!

Parking letters is one thing you can ignore!

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How many times..... If it's not issued by the Police or Council.... YOU JUST IGNORE ALL THE LETTERS!

No one have ever been taken to court for parking on private land & not paying the charge / fine.

A simple way to think about it.... someone parks on your driveway & you slap on a fine for 1 or 1,000,000.... how are you going to enforce it?

You can only get a CCJ etc if taken to court! Imagine if this started happening... The courts would only ever be dealing with parking charges!

Parking letters is one thing you can ignore!
Agree with Jammy completely.

I have even ignored letters from the specific company parking eye LTD that the OP posted. These companies cannot enforce a "fine" they can simply try and scare you into paying.

even the BBC watchdog pointed this out lol
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Agree with Jammy completely.

I have even ignored letters from the specific company parking eye LTD that the OP posted. These companies cannot enforce a "fine" they can simply try and scare you into paying.

even the BBC watchdog pointed this out lol
This is what I said in post 7, and posted links to various sites with details to explain why. Just look into it and you will see what happens.
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How many times..... If it's not issued by the Police or Council.... YOU JUST IGNORE ALL THE LETTERS!

No one have ever been taken to court for parking on private land & not paying the charge / fine.

A simple way to think about it.... someone parks on your driveway & you slap on a fine for 1 or 1,000,000.... how are you going to enforce it?

You can only get a CCJ etc if taken to court! Imagine if this started happening... The courts would only ever be dealing with parking charges!

Parking letters is one thing you can ignore!
That's not actually correct buddy. Parking Eye have taken people to court and won (usually by default), although to my knowledge Parking Eye are the only company taking things this far at the moment.

Take a look at the following link for details:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/parking-eye/
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