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      07-07-2009, 09:13 PM   #23
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It's great you can smile about it. Nobody hurt, just a major inconvenience, but a dangerous situation. BMW or NHTSA should recall them all IMO.
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      07-07-2009, 10:32 PM   #24
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Have you guys told BMWNA how dangerous it is via email and the OP should email BMWNA what happened
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      07-08-2009, 12:58 AM   #25
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OP here. I honestly had only the momentum left in the car to get it pulled to the side of the road. Given the blind corner and very limited space, etc., I did not get out of the car to check things out. I had BMW Assist call the local PD, and waited for them to show up, block off traffic behind, and ensure I could safely exit before checking things out.

I guess I'm one of the very few that have had a sudden failure. Let me say, in a different locale/speed, it could have been worse. Luckily, I was in the right-hand lane and able to pull over. Had I been in the left lane, this would not have been pretty. It really is a blind, sweeping corner with very heavy traffic and medians/barrier walls. The local police commented I was pretty lucky to get it pulled over where I did, too.

Chalk mine up as a close-call for a possible accident. I don't recall reading about any accidents here, a few on-ramp failures is about it.

Car is at the dealer now, had a call from the SA, and I mentionned it was likely the fuel pump had failed. He was smooth, and didn't indicate pro or con if was even aware of this problem. Go figure.

So does this mean that you're not absolutely sure it's the fuel pump?

Glad to hear you're ok. Sounds like a ridiculously scary situation to be in. I had my HPFP die too. Luckily I was still able to drive it to the dealership.
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      07-08-2009, 01:04 AM   #26
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Sorry to hear. This is the main reason I don't own either of my e92 or e93 335i anymore. They were fun to drive, but the HPFP issues were too much for me to swallow.
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      07-08-2009, 01:08 AM   #27
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Sorry to hear. This is the main reason I don't own either of my e92 or e93 335i anymore. They were fun to drive, but the HPFP issues were too much for me to swallow.
Were your cars affected?
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      07-08-2009, 01:51 AM   #28
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Man, I always think the turbo would make my car cooler and definitely faster. Hearing this though makes me feel relieved i got my e90 328i because I am seriously planning to keep this baby past 5 years.
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      07-08-2009, 05:04 AM   #29
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reaffirms my thankfulness that I own a 330i with the N52.
I don't think the HPFP is a good situation, but I wouldn't prefer a 330i instead. That's not a solution either. Especially given the marginal cost of a 335 over a 330, it's well worth every penny. One of the few times BMW offered bang-for-buck. I remember new 330 owners being really pi**** to hear about the 335 when they found out about the price of the 335.
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G0d damn it BMW, fix the f@ckin part

Do you know how many times a day I have semis and shit doing 70+ behind me? If the HPFP dies I will be dead as well.
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Damn, lucky you didn't get hit around the blind corner

Reading your thread reminded me of this one: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=hpfp+fail
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      07-08-2009, 11:32 AM   #34
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This is why I will never buy the twin turbo car.
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      07-08-2009, 11:52 AM   #35
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until you guys start making some noise at the federal level.....ain't nothing gonna happen in the way of bmw owning up to these weak ass pumps failing.
just a thought......




Report Date : July 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Search Type : VEHICLE
Year : 2007
Make : BMW
Model : 335I

Results : 1 | All records displayed

NHTSA Action Number: N/A NHTSA Recall Campaign Number:
PE08032 N/A
Make: BMW Model: 335I
Manufacturer : BMW OF NORTH AMERICA, LLC
Year : 2007
Component :
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP

Date Investigation Opened : April 28, 2008
Date Investigation Closed : August 15, 2008


Make: BMW
Model: 335I
Year: 2007
NHTSA Action Number: PE08032
Summary:
IN RESPONSE TO ODI'S INFORMATION REQUEST FOR PE08-032 BMW STATED THAT "DURING FAILURE OF THE HIGH PRESSURE PUMP THE CUSTOMER SHOULD INITIALLY EXPERIENCE LONGER ENGINE STARTING TIMES OR ROUGH ENGINE RUNNING. AFTER A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1 TO 2 MILES THE PUMP- AND ENGINE-EMERGENCY OPERATION PROGRAM IS ACTIVATED, AND THE MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP IS ILLUMINATED." DESPITE REDUCED ENGINE POWER BMW BELIEVES THAT SAFE VEHICLE OPERATION IS POSSIBLE AND THAT VEHICLE DRIVEABILITY, STEERING, AND BRAKING SYSTEMS ARE NOT AFFECTED AND FUNCTION IN A NORMAL MANNER. BMW INDICATED THAT ONLY IN VERY RARE CASES COULD THE ENGINE STALL. ODI'S ANALYSIS OF WARRANTY DATA CLAIMS INDICATING POSSIBLE STALL INCIDENTS ESTIMATES THAT THE RATE AT THREE YEARS IN SERVICE WOULD BE LESS THAN 1.0% OF THE POPULATION (NOTE THAT SOME OF THE CLAIMS INDICATING STALL DO NOT APPEAR TO INVOLVE ACTUAL ENGINE STALLS, BUT RATHER OPERATION AT REDUCED ENGINE POWER). ODI'S ANALYSIS OF CONSUMER COMPLAINTS DETERMINED THAT ABOUT HALF DESCRIBE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE FAILURE AS OPERATION IN LIMP MODE, 27 PERCENT INDICATE THE PROBLEM RESULTED IN A HARD START OR NO START CONDITION AND 19 PERCENT STATE THAT THE PROBLEM WAS DETECTED BY ILLUMINATION OF THE MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP OR A MINOR DRIVEABILITY SYMPTOM. ONLY FOUR PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINTS TO ODI AND BMW INDICATE THAT AN ENGINE STALL OCCURRED. BMW INDICATED THAT A SERVICE ACTION WAS INITIATED IN APRIL 2008 TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND IT IS CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE FIELD SITUATION AND ANALYZE FIELD DATA. FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF THIS MATTER WOULD NOT BE AN EFFICIENT ALLOCATION OF AGENCY RESOURCES. ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED. THE CLOSING OF THIS INVESTIGATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FINDING BY NHTSA THAT A SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT DOES NOT EXIST. THE AGENCY WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR COMPLAINTS AND OTHER INFORMATION RELATING TO THE ALLEGED DEFECT IN THE SUBJECT VEHICLES AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION IN THE FUTURE IF WARRANTED.
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until you guys start making some noise at the federal level.....ain't nothing gonna happen in the way of bmw owning up to these weak ass pumps failing.
just a thought......




Report Date : July 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Search Type : VEHICLE
Year : 2007
Make : BMW
Model : 335I

Results : 1 | All records displayed

NHTSA Action Number: N/A NHTSA Recall Campaign Number:
PE08032 N/A
Make: BMW Model: 335I
Manufacturer : BMW OF NORTH AMERICA, LLC
Year : 2007
Component :
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP

Date Investigation Opened : April 28, 2008
Date Investigation Closed : August 15, 2008


Make: BMW
Model: 335I
Year: 2007
NHTSA Action Number: PE08032
Summary:
IN RESPONSE TO ODI'S INFORMATION REQUEST FOR PE08-032 BMW STATED THAT "DURING FAILURE OF THE HIGH PRESSURE PUMP THE CUSTOMER SHOULD INITIALLY EXPERIENCE LONGER ENGINE STARTING TIMES OR ROUGH ENGINE RUNNING. AFTER A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1 TO 2 MILES THE PUMP- AND ENGINE-EMERGENCY OPERATION PROGRAM IS ACTIVATED, AND THE MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP IS ILLUMINATED." DESPITE REDUCED ENGINE POWER BMW BELIEVES THAT SAFE VEHICLE OPERATION IS POSSIBLE AND THAT VEHICLE DRIVEABILITY, STEERING, AND BRAKING SYSTEMS ARE NOT AFFECTED AND FUNCTION IN A NORMAL MANNER. BMW INDICATED THAT ONLY IN VERY RARE CASES COULD THE ENGINE STALL. ODI'S ANALYSIS OF WARRANTY DATA CLAIMS INDICATING POSSIBLE STALL INCIDENTS ESTIMATES THAT THE RATE AT THREE YEARS IN SERVICE WOULD BE LESS THAN 1.0% OF THE POPULATION (NOTE THAT SOME OF THE CLAIMS INDICATING STALL DO NOT APPEAR TO INVOLVE ACTUAL ENGINE STALLS, BUT RATHER OPERATION AT REDUCED ENGINE POWER). ODI'S ANALYSIS OF CONSUMER COMPLAINTS DETERMINED THAT ABOUT HALF DESCRIBE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE FAILURE AS OPERATION IN LIMP MODE, 27 PERCENT INDICATE THE PROBLEM RESULTED IN A HARD START OR NO START CONDITION AND 19 PERCENT STATE THAT THE PROBLEM WAS DETECTED BY ILLUMINATION OF THE MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP OR A MINOR DRIVEABILITY SYMPTOM. ONLY FOUR PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINTS TO ODI AND BMW INDICATE THAT AN ENGINE STALL OCCURRED. BMW INDICATED THAT A SERVICE ACTION WAS INITIATED IN APRIL 2008 TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND IT IS CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE FIELD SITUATION AND ANALYZE FIELD DATA. FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF THIS MATTER WOULD NOT BE AN EFFICIENT ALLOCATION OF AGENCY RESOURCES. ACCORDINGLY, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED. THE CLOSING OF THIS INVESTIGATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A FINDING BY NHTSA THAT A SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT DOES NOT EXIST. THE AGENCY WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR COMPLAINTS AND OTHER INFORMATION RELATING TO THE ALLEGED DEFECT IN THE SUBJECT VEHICLES AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION IN THE FUTURE IF WARRANTED.
Seems diablo's stall incident at less than 1% possibilty is very,very rare which is somewhat comforting.
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Well, looks like I joined the HPFP failure club today. Returning to work, main road back to our worksite, sweeping corner with barrier walls, 2 lanes, doing the posted speed limit of about 35 mph, heavy trafffic.

Car just stopped DEAD mid turn. Literally. No juice, nothing. Steering got heavy, I pulled as far over to the right as I could, middle of a blind corner, just about a cars-width between a barrier wall and the traffic lane. Wouldn't restart. Long cranks. Very occassionally, would get a bit of gas, then die again. From what I've read, classic HPFP symptoms.

Hit the SOS button (didn't have my cell phone with me - I usually don't, not allowed on our secured work site), got the local PD to come and protect the lane while BMW arranged for a wrecker. Was lucky, wrecker was in the area, got towed off about 30 minutes after.

Amazing how sudden this shut down. No warning, no long cranks, nothing. Just went stone dead.

Oh, I had retrofitted Bluetooth, and decided to go whole-hog and activate Assist as well. Happy for that, now. Without my cell, would not have been nearly as safe to take care of this.

Other details: 07 E90, 6MT, 24k miles.

Now, where do I learn the secret handshake?

I would report this to NHTSA. I think you can do it on their web site. While not frequent, this is not the first time that someone was put in danger by a HPFP failure.

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We do not yet know what the failure is -- it might be the HPFP, but sudden and complete failures are very rare.

So please report what the techs find.
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Ouch sorry to hear that man but I'm glad your okay.
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OP here. Techs just called me. It's the fuel pump. He said I was an "outstanding mechanic" and seemed impressed I knew what component had failed. I only wish that was the case

So, HPFP is confirmed.
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OP here. Techs just called me. It's the fuel pump. He said I was an "outstanding mechanic" and seemed impressed I knew what component had failed. I only wish that was the case

So, HPFP is confirmed.
LOL at the tech's comment.

Glad you and your car were not hit. Complete failure of fuel pump is really scary, and of course potentially dangerous.
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OP here. I honestly had only the momentum left in the car to get it pulled to the side of the road. Given the blind corner and very limited space, etc., I did not get out of the car to check things out. I had BMW Assist call the local PD, and waited for them to show up, block off traffic behind, and ensure I could safely exit before checking things out.

I guess I'm one of the very few that have had a sudden failure. Let me say, in a different locale/speed, it could have been worse. Luckily, I was in the right-hand lane and able to pull over. Had I been in the left lane, this would not have been pretty. It really is a blind, sweeping corner with very heavy traffic and medians/barrier walls. The local police commented I was pretty lucky to get it pulled over where I did, too.

Chalk mine up as a close-call for a possible accident. I don't recall reading about any accidents here, a few on-ramp failures is about it.

Car is at the dealer now, had a call from the SA, and I mentionned it was likely the fuel pump had failed. He was smooth, and didn't indicate pro or con if was even aware of this problem. Go figure.
Mine did the same thing last night, just went dead, scary feeling, BMW needs to fix this issue before someone gets hurt.
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