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      07-19-2009, 10:15 PM   #23
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If you kiss the wall, will the insurance pay or are you SOL? That sober a lot of trackie wannabes IMO. I am curious if you have to sign all your rights away.
It depends on a couple of things.
1. Your insurance company/policy.
2. The "group" you are on the track with.

Edit: You can also buy track specific insurance for the days you are going to be on track.
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If you kiss the wall, will the insurance pay or are you SOL? That sober a lot of trackie wannabes IMO. I am curious if you have to sign all your rights away.
Questionable. Most insurance companies used to exclude for "timed events", so HPDE events might not have been grounds to deny the claim. Nowadays many insurance companies are excluding all track events, timed or not. Guaranteed if you call up your agent that it may raise a red flag, so better to read the policy and see what it says.

I personally can't wad my car up and walk away, so I bought an E30 track car. That I can walk away from if I ever put it into the wall.
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If you kiss the wall, will the insurance pay or are you SOL? That sober a lot of trackie wannabes IMO. I am curious if you have to sign all your rights away.
Back in the day (10 years ago), most insurance companies would cover a loss just as long as it was a driving education event. Which usually meant them calling the organizer of the event to confirm that there were instructors present and that there was no lap timing. This may have changed in the past years. Best to talk to your insurance company.

Back in '97, I kissed a wall at Turn 9 at Laguna, in my insured street car (FD3S RX-7). Most cosmetic but the total repair bill was substantial. My insurance covered it without question.

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DSC/DTC off right? Possible to track with those on?
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DSC/DTC off right? Possible to track with those on?
You would be the only one pressing the button.
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Cool video. I was just there in my 1 about a month ago. I almost lost it on turn 4 too, but I think my LSD helped me keep it in line.
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Thanks for sharing the video. looks like you had fun. Your hands were moving pretty fast on the steering wheel, I thought you had it pulled out until it snapped back the second time. Mr 5, is the exhaust on the Lambo as nice as they say it is? I have heard it online but not in real life.
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Thanks for sharing the video. looks like you had fun. Your hands were moving pretty fast on the steering wheel, I thought you had it pulled out until it snapped back the second time. Mr 5, is the exhaust on the Lambo as nice as they say it is? I have heard it online but not in real life.
It is a sweet sounding v-10, both stock and aftermarket. Last friday I was driving through Danville, and a Yellow Gallardo came out of a gated community. I slowed so he could get by and I could listen, he was running catless, my wife said it smelled like hell, but it did sound good. The driver was kind of a douche, lots of unnecessary reving and it sounded like he missed a gear at one point....but it sounded good.
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Ha cool videos man, that brings back memories of playing Gran Turismo tournaments with my roommates in 2001 on my 65" mitsubishi projection tv... Evo vs STI all day.
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general rule: if you can't afford to write it off.. don't race it!

in most instances insurance will not cover it. read your policy carefully. there have been some track day insurers popping up here and there. I remember there is one company, but they do not allow your track car to be your street car. in addition, the car must be garaged when not raced and transported to and from the track on a trailer. there was some other BS too.
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general rule: if you can't afford to write it off.. don't race it!

in most instances insurance will not cover it. read your policy carefully. there have been some track day insurers popping up here and there. I remember there is one company, but they do not allow your track car to be your street car. in addition, the car must be garaged when not raced and transported to and from the track on a trailer. there was some other BS too.
Track time doesn't always mean "racing". I track and I can't afford to write it off....I'm more afraid of someone hitting me rather than hitting a wall. No one should be driving 10/10ths in a street car anyway.
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Two tips for you:

1) This is personal preference, but you may be able to pick up a bit of time by doing a double apex (for lack of a better term) into turn 2. Halfway between turns 1 and 2, start moving to the left of the track and start braking at the same time. You will be braking in a straight line but on the track you will be moving from right to left.

2) In general, I noticed that one thing you're doing on a couple of the corners is you're cutting off where the car tracks out after a corner. Don't be afraid of using up the whole track. Let the car go where it wants to go before you gently reign it back in to set up for the next corner.

I noticed this after the corkscrew...you can let the car track out a little bit more to the left before you head back to the right to set up for turn 9.

Same with the exit out of turn 9. You seem to be pinching off and keeping your steering wheel turned to the left after you exit turn 9. Don't be afraid to track out further to the right after turn 9 exit as you may be able to pick up a few mph by not cutting off your turns.

Anyways, good work. I think you did very well.

P.S. Don't worry about the spin. Everyone does it
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Nice vids! Just from initially watching the video it looks like you may have jumped off the throttle resulting in a snap oversteer. Been there myself a few times. Remember to use the accelerator and steering input together to bring the car back in line.

Be more aggressive!

I'm kind of shocked your club doesn't require you to have an instructor at all times (unless you are advanced/instructor level).
Thanks for the tips guys.
Yah, Speedventures doesn't require it for every session but it is a good idea.

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kinda felt like i had my playstation controller in my hands play GT4.

How much does that cost for a day?

Also, on that slide the biggest thing to preventing the spin out is not letting up on the throttle. It is hard not to take you foot off but it transfers weight to the front of the car.

Overall AWESOME =)
I paid 360 for the day, which included the instruction.

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Were you running R-comps?
I was on Hankook evo12 street tires.

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As a guy who sucks on the track too, one thing I can tell you is that these piggys etc. are no favor on the track to us. Its way to much power. Brakes, suspension etc. all good for beginners (and a good instructor sitting there) but extra HP is not your friend until you are really good.
I don't know if I agree with this. I agree that tunes don't help on an autoX, but I felt that the tune helped at Laguna Seca.
I passed a lot of Porsches, Audi S4s, Audi TT, and a C5 Z06.
The tune on the straight away is awesome!

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Cool video. I was just there in my 1 about a month ago. I almost lost it on turn 4 too, but I think my LSD helped me keep it in line.
I wish I had my LSD before, because I agree with you. I think it would have helped meout a bit more during my slide.

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Thanks for sharing the video. looks like you had fun. Your hands were moving pretty fast on the steering wheel, I thought you had it pulled out until it snapped back the second time. Mr 5, is the exhaust on the Lambo as nice as they say it is? I have heard it online but not in real life.
The exhaust was unbelieveable! Listening to it for 25 minutes was pure music!!
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How much damage did the gravel do?
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How much damage did the gravel do?
Actually nothing to the paint.
I haven't lifted the car yet to check out the underneath but everything feels great.
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Nice work!
2) In general, I noticed that one thing you're doing on a couple of the corners is you're cutting off where the car tracks out after a corner. Don't be afraid of using up the whole track. Let the car go where it wants to go before you gently reign it back in to set up for the next corner.

P.S. Don't worry about the spin. Everyone does it
+100000

You paid for every inch of the track, USE IT!! Track out all the way. Don't turn in too early. The basics.

Additionally, if you could have had an instructor in there, DO IT!! They are (for the most part) instructors for a reason.

I'm no Andretti, but it sounds like your getting on the gas pretty late. That tells me you're going in too hard, the tire squeal on entry confirms that. Try braking more before turn-in and accelerate through them. Remember, slow in, fast out. Your spin was more than likely the result of dancing on the gas pedal. You went too hot in and thus you couldn't accel the entire way out. A mid-corner lift will spin ya more often than not.

BTW, the red vette(?) in front of you going into 1-2 seemed to have the line I see guys use on TV @ LS. He late apexed it and checked out. BYE-BYE!

Way too keep her off the wall in the end!
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You paid for every inch of the track, USE IT!! Track out all the way. Don't turn in too early. The basics.

Additionally, if you could have had an instructor in there, DO IT!! They are (for the most part) instructors for a reason.

I'm no Andretti, but it sounds like your getting on the gas pretty late. That tells me you're going in too hard, the tire squeal on entry confirms that. Try braking more before turn-in and accelerate through them. Remember, slow in, fast out. Your spin was more than likely the result of dancing on the gas pedal. You went too hot in and thus you couldn't accel the entire way out. A mid-corner lift will spin ya more often than not.

BTW, the red vette(?) in front of you going into 1-2 seemed to have the line I see guys use on TV @ LS. He late apexed it and checked out. BYE-BYE!

Way too keep her off the wall in the end!
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
It was a learning experience no matter what.
I really appreciate the constructive criticism!
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360 for a day? dang.. it's like $400 a weekend here with NASA.
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I've done tons and tons of driving at Laguna*... you're lap wasn't too bad at all for your first time! Nice job 5!




















































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You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
It was a learning experience no matter what.
I really appreciate the constructive criticism!
My older brother is one of six Master instructors for the Mid-West PCA division. So I've been on track once or twice.

Constructive criticism is the only way to learn. Well, that or hitting the wall.
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Sorry if I missed it (I did read the whole thread). Did you press the DSC button once or hold it, or did you leave it as is? I've heard mixed things from people at the track regarding whether to leave it alone, press it once, or dissable the whole jobby. Surprisingly (to me at least, who hasn't been on the track myself) the most common answer was leaving it alone, and if you are activating it, you are not driving smoothly and hence will be slower as a result. Personally, I would imagine the single press might allow some slippage ( A: good for learning, and B: I'd think a little scrubbing of tires could be the fastest method on some areas), but I could be way off.
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Very nice man.. Good to see you going to more track days...
Hopefully I'll see you at the next one.. Satakal and I should be going to a couple of BMWCCA events in the next couple of months.. (definately Buttonwillow in Sep)

The Lambo is beautiful, ugly rims though.. Very flat, not concave enough
I am sure it was awesome to ride in that thing... How good was the driver?
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Back in the day (10 years ago), most insurance companies would cover a loss just as long as it was a driving education event. Which usually meant them calling the organizer of the event to confirm that there were instructors present and that there was no lap timing. This may have changed in the past years. Best to talk to your insurance company.

Back in '97, I kissed a wall at Turn 9 at Laguna, in my insured street car (FD3S RX-7). Most cosmetic but the total repair bill was substantial. My insurance covered it without question.

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There are companies that offer supplemental insurance for track events for those that don't want to take a chance. From what I recall, you can specify a certain percentage of the value you want to insure plus a pretty large deductible.
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