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IPOD dock + video out
Published by laurentProd
03-12-2014
IPOD dock + video out

Hi everyone,
I would like to share my latest mod...
IPOD dock snap-in with video out!

background :
My car was lacking USB / Ipod connection.
I decided to go the Dension 500S BT way.
I also have an AV module (http://tvandnav2go.com/) with 3 av inputs.
Then I just realize that it would be great to display the ipod screen on the idrive screen...
But how to do it? You can have the video out + sound but you will lost the ipod control. On the otherside you can have full control of the ipod but no video out!

I tried to contact Dension to have some info on how the unit actually works and to grab some wiring diagrams but nothing... They just don't want to share anything (even if you buy the unit from their store...)

so I decided to make some research. Found the ipod 30 pin connector diag on the net, and decided to take apart the dension ipod cable.
The only way to get video out and to keep the sound + control is to build a custom Y cable :

dension ---------\
\___ ipod
/
av module ------/
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By laurentProd on 03-12-2014, 02:13 PM
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You'll need an ipod (obviously) and cradle/snap-in (optional)...
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2 apple 30 pins extension cable




Start by taking apart the cradle and the snap-in.



Here you can compare the heads... (right is oem)



Close view of the heads



Build the Y apple cable than replace the oem head with yours



Y cable and wires soldering... schematics available if interrested.

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By laurentProd on 03-12-2014, 02:14 PM
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Before moving forward, test! test! and test your cable first!

Now take apart the cradle



The head is a bit larger than the original hole. Cut a bit to make it larger



Y cable going through the cradle



Time to fit the snap-in



Check the 30 pin correct orientation (up / down)



Re-screw / re-assemble everything together



A bit of glue to prevent the cable from moving and soft close tape wrapping to make the whole thing more oem...



Cradle + snap in + cable

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By laurentProd on 03-12-2014, 02:24 PM
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Final result !



and it workssssssssssssssss !!

now I have video out + sound + full control via idrive controller/steering wheel buttons!

In car pics and videos are coming soon !

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By laurentProd on 03-12-2014, 02:33 PM
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By laurentProd on 03-12-2014, 07:00 PM
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By WhiteFury on 03-13-2014, 05:58 AM
I was thinking about getting the combox and doing the retrofit. Can I do it myself? I have ncsexpert, and dcan cable and have done some coding and trans alpina flash already. I want to be able to plug the usb cable into the port in the center console and have the music play through the stereo like that and show the music from the ipod as well.
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By laurentProd on 03-13-2014, 06:07 PM
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Guess yes, there are multiple thread talking about that.
Can(t really help you as I have a CCC.
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By houbmw on 03-13-2014, 07:41 PM
I am actually getting my navandtv2go unit installed this upcoming week and the only things I have as of now are a rear camera and a front camera. I want to be able to display my iphone, ipad or ipod on the screen using one of the inputs but I am kind of stuck. I do not have the dension for BT access like you, but I do have the CCC idrive withOUT navigation. I was going to get the Kivic one, but that thing is so damn expensive. Another solution was to put in a apple tv but I have read that I would need wifi to operate that in the car. So, if I am willing to plug in my iphone5 using the lightning port>hdmi>composite source, would that work?
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By terminator2k2 on 03-14-2014, 11:35 AM
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Hi there , im interested how you did this...I have a dension 500 gateway and a dension avr....

I can play videos from iphone but not music with album art.....
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By laurentProd on 03-14-2014, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by terminator2k2 View Post
Hi there , im interested how you did this...I have a dension 500 gateway and a dension avr....

I can play videos from iphone but not music with album art.....

I don't get it. If you can play videos then you can play music...
how is your ipod connected to the dension?

On my side I'm using an Ipod 4G jailbreak to run "dispay out".
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By laurentProd on 03-14-2014, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by houbmw View Post
I am actually getting my navandtv2go unit installed this upcoming week and the only things I have as of now are a rear camera and a front camera. I want to be able to display my iphone, ipad or ipod on the screen using one of the inputs but I am kind of stuck. I do not have the dension for BT access like you, but I do have the CCC idrive withOUT navigation. I was going to get the Kivic one, but that thing is so damn expensive. Another solution was to put in a apple tv but I have read that I would need wifi to operate that in the car. So, if I am willing to plug in my iphone5 using the lightning port>hdmi>composite source, would that work?
You have an iDrive CCC without nav????
Is it really possible???
you have a CCC and a tvandnav2go so you have everything!

What you need to do :
1. jailbreak your Iphone Ipod (must at least 3Gs or Ipod 4G) and install "display out"
2. buy a the apple composite av out cable
3. connect the av out + sound to tvandnav2go
4. you have av/sound out from tvandnav2go : connect the sound (cinch red and white) to aux in...
5.enjoy !
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By terminator2k2 on 03-14-2014, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by laurentProd View Post
I don't get it. If you can play videos then you can play music...
how is your ipod connected to the dension?

On my side I'm using an Ipod 4G jailbreak to run "dispay out".
hi there, I think I may have read the thread wrong. I thought you could control iphone with the idrive controller whilst viewing the iphone album art on the ccc screen.

on mine if I use a similar app on my phone I have to use the iphone manualy to select music tracks and cannot use the idrive controller to change tracks. to view video on my ccc screen I have to first select video in my dension menu then select the video I want to play then select the tv option on the idrive.
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By laurentProd on 03-14-2014, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by terminator2k2 View Post
hi there, I think I may have read the thread wrong. I thought you could control iphone with the idrive controller whilst viewing the iphone album art on the ccc screen.

on mine if I use a similar app on my phone I have to use the iphone manualy to select music tracks and cannot use the idrive controller to change tracks. to view video on my ccc screen I have to first select video in my dension menu then select the video I want to play then select the tv option on the idrive.
Ohh !! yeah that was my problem! having full control of the ipod without video and the way around, video but no control...

So I tweaked the dension cable by making a Y cable.
Cable is going from the ipod to the dension AND video is going to the tvAndNav2go module. So I can have full control of the ipod AND video!





In the second video you can see that I browse the album with the steering wheel button @ 0:50
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By terminator2k2 on 03-14-2014, 06:59 PM
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hi there, so are you selecting the album manualy and then changing tracks via the steering controls?
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By laurentProd on 03-14-2014, 07:13 PM
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in this video yes.
But to be honest I'm quite new to iphone Ipod...
I don't know how to change albums directly.
For example when the last song of an album is playing if I hit the next button then it will cycle back to the first song and not jump to the next album...
But it's more a ipod limitation I guess?
I need to play a bit with it
But if you are playing songs in ramdom mode then you can see the album art changing on the screen


I'll make a new video tomorrow.
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By terminator2k2 on 03-15-2014, 11:47 AM
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Hi there, I just tried mine again and it does the same.....can change tracks using either idrive or steering wheel controls, but am unable to change album.....was funny cause I drove around a corner and the screen on the iphone inverted which made the screen on the idrive upside down lol....

edit : just found a twaeker called switcherland which locks the display..
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By laurentProd on 03-15-2014, 01:28 PM
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yeah got also a landscape lock app

Question where did you install your AV interface?
I tried behind the CCC main unit but no space, same behind the dashscreen.
I ended putting it close to the foot well module under the steering wheel....
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By terminator2k2 on 03-15-2014, 05:31 PM
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this is the one I have :




its small enough to fit in the gap where you clip the climate panel out , just above the ccc unit.
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By terminator2k2 on 03-15-2014, 05:35 PM
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I did consider this.......


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By houbmw on 03-18-2014, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the reply. Yes, you can have an idrive CCC WITHOUT Navigation, I just have the smaller screen. My only issue I have is that the iphone 5 is not compatible with the apple composite cable. The only way it would work is if I went from hdmi to vga to composite, but that way too many wires and adapters. I would like to use a apple tv instead, but need to find a way to figure out the wifi situation. I can't figure out how to use my iphone 5 as a personal hotspot. SO far, the only option I see is getting an airport express. Thanks for your help!!!!
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By laurentProd on 03-20-2014, 05:54 PM
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no need of hdmi to vga to rca converter...

Just buy a lightning to 30-pin adapter (very small) and the composite cable...
That's all!

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