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      08-25-2009, 12:49 PM   #23
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not really true, the gearing and redline of the M3's motor come into play too.

DCT makes up a big difference in speed. Have you driven one or raced one?

if the OP is a manual he will have to be PERFECT or he'll lose. If he hits the dreaded boost lag on the 3-4 shift the m3 will be gone....etc. you get the point.
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maybe...
not saying you cant beat an M3..are you an auto?
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is this taking place in central fl? if so fill me in on details
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m3-----------e90,dct,bastuck exhaust

335i (me)----e90,stick,jb3,single cone intake,muffler delete 93 octane map 7




race on a closed rode in davie of course

from a dig,20 roll,40 roll,80 roll


my predicticion --------------------20 roll ----i beat him by half a car
40 roll ----head to head
80 roll ----my 390 ftq kicks in and i whale on him
I think you'll take him on dig to 40 roll, then M3 will come probably beat you in 80 roll. You'll probably pull on him initially, then you'll start seeing his bumper 120+.
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Should be a good run.. from a dig?
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I think you beat him from a 20 and 40 roll, but not sure what will happen from a 80mph roll thats when that v8 really shines top end
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is this taking place in central fl? if so fill me in on details
no its goin down in fort lauderdale bro i think if it was in central we would get more guys but the other guys might not show.
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I'll stick to my theory that if he's DCT u have no chance. I raced my buddy's M3 multiple times on my 135. Mind you I only had a drop in and JB3 1.3. I always jumped on him the first gear we started on, after he started shifting.... that was it, he just kept pulling and pulling. The gearing and the speed on the DCT is incredible, and makes the m3 what its supposed to be, the reason why a 135 or a 335 will never be and M3 (besides the chassis )
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I'll stick to my theory that if he's DCT u have no chance. I raced my buddy's M3 multiple times on my 135. Mind you I only had a drop in and JB3 1.3. I always jumped on him the first gear we started on, after he started shifting.... that was it, he just kept pulling and pulling. The gearing and the speed on the DCT is incredible, and makes the m3 what its supposed to be, the reason why a 135 or a 335 will never be and M3 (besides the chassis )
I laughed out loud.
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I'll stick to my theory that if he's DCT u have no chance. I raced my buddy's M3 multiple times on my 135. Mind you I only had a drop in and JB3 1.3. I always jumped on him the first gear we started on, after he started shifting.... that was it, he just kept pulling and pulling. The gearing and the speed on the DCT is incredible, and makes the m3 what its supposed to be, the reason why a 135 or a 335 will never be and M3 (besides the chassis )
exactly what i'm saying, if the M3 is a DCT and the OP's car is a manual he's got his work cut out for him.

he may take him, but he'll have to be perfect.
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that video wasn't much of a race. the m3 launch was awful shifting was not great either. My 4x4 will chirp gears why didn't the M? (he wasn't shifting all that hard) Damn that v8 sounds amazing though.
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not really true, the gearing and redline of the M3's motor come into play too.

DCT makes up a big difference in speed. Have you driven one or raced one?

if the OP is a manual he will have to be PERFECT or he'll lose. If he hits the dreaded boost lag on the 3-4 shift the m3 will be gone....etc. you get the point.
damn, Op i forgot about the DCT tranny... put in race gas at least - but he may also:
if u guys are really running for $100 a race - best to get another mod or 2 to be safe ??
if you win a few races - that will pay for the mods
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not really true, the gearing and redline of the M3's motor come into play too.

DCT makes up a big difference in speed. Have you driven one or raced one?

if the OP is a manual he will have to be PERFECT or he'll lose. If he hits the dreaded boost lag on the 3-4 shift the m3 will be gone....etc. you get the point.

yes i drove the DCT m3 myself. As fun as it is cuz it sticks those corners and makes ur eyes wanna pop out of ur head it lacks BIG TIME in the torque department.
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damn, Op i forgot about the DCT tranny... put in race gas at least - but he may also:
if u guys are really running for $100 a race - best to get another mod or 2 to be safe ??
if you win a few races - that will pay for the mods
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Well your disadvantage is he's got the best transmission in the M3 for accelerating and you have the worst.
Stock e90 M3 DCT will trap roughly 112-113

That's easy for an e92 335i on 91-92 Octane and Map 6 or 7

However, you have the heavier e90, the slower 6MT. Those two combined drop you off 1 mph+ in the traps.

Put it to you this way...I think the race will be darn close as it is.
You have 93 Octane which helps.

A 335i JB3 1.3 or 1.4 on Map 7 on 91 Octane will edge out a stock M3 6MT and run even with a stock M3 DCT but that's if the 335i is a 6AT car.

To give you an idea, I ran a 6MT M3 with intake, pulley, tune, exhaust, lowered in my 335i when all I had was JB3 1.3 on 93 Octane and Map 5, from a 40 mph roll and we were even till 80 mph and then he pulled 1.25-1.5 CL's (there was about 7-10 feet of air between my front bumper and his rear bumper) up to 125ish.

Had he not had the tune it would of been even. Had he been stock with exhaust only like the guy you are going to run I would of taken him by 1-1.5 CL's

Do a 1st gear roll from 20 and a 2nd gear roll from 40
I'm pretty sure you'll be pretty even with him with your mods, octane and transmission.
Make sure you are under 1/4 tank of gas.
Bring along a couple gallons of 100+ Octane too.
After the 93 Octane runs, dump that in, go to Map 8 and pull on him.
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Well your disadvantage is he's got the best transmission in the M3 for accelerating and you have the worst.
Stock e90 M3 DCT will trap roughly 112-113

That's easy for an e92 335i on 91-92 Octane and Map 6 or 7

However, you have the heavier e90, the slower 6MT. Those two combined drop you off 1 mph+ in the traps.

Put it to you this way...I think the race will be darn close as it is.
You have 93 Octane which helps.

A 335i JB3 1.3 or 1.4 on Map 7 on 91 Octane will edge out a stock M3 6MT and run even with a stock M3 DCT but that's if the 335i is a 6AT car.

To give you an idea, I ran a 6MT M3 with intake, pulley, tune, exhaust, lowered in my 335i when all I had was JB3 1.3 on 93 Octane and Map 5, from a 40 mph roll and we were even till 80 mph and then he pulled 1.25-1.5 CL's (there was about 7-10 feet of air between my front bumper and his rear bumper) up to 125ish.

Had he not had the tune it would of been even. Had he been stock with exhaust only like the guy you are going to run I would of taken him by 1-1.5 CL's

Do a 1st gear roll from 20 and a 2nd gear roll from 40
I'm pretty sure you'll be pretty even with him with your mods, octane and transmission.
Make sure you are under 1/4 tank of gas.
Bring along a couple gallons of 100+ Octane too.
After the 93 Octane runs, dump that in, go to Map 8 and pull on him.












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very accurate prediction and i think you are very right .
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Well your disadvantage is he's got the best transmission in the M3 for accelerating and you have the worst.
Stock e90 M3 DCT will trap roughly 112-113

That's easy for an e92 335i on 91-92 Octane and Map 6 or 7

However, you have the heavier e90, the slower 6MT. Those two combined drop you off 1 mph+ in the traps.

Put it to you this way...I think the race will be darn close as it is.
You have 93 Octane which helps.

A 335i JB3 1.3 or 1.4 on Map 7 on 91 Octane will edge out a stock M3 6MT and run even with a stock M3 DCT but that's if the 335i is a 6AT car.

To give you an idea, I ran a 6MT M3 with intake, pulley, tune, exhaust, lowered in my 335i when all I had was JB3 1.3 on 93 Octane and Map 5, from a 40 mph roll and we were even till 80 mph and then he pulled 1.25-1.5 CL's (there was about 7-10 feet of air between my front bumper and his rear bumper) up to 125ish.

Had he not had the tune it would of been even. Had he been stock with exhaust only like the guy you are going to run I would of taken him by 1-1.5 CL's

Do a 1st gear roll from 20 and a 2nd gear roll from 40
I'm pretty sure you'll be pretty even with him with your mods, octane and transmission.
Make sure you are under 1/4 tank of gas.
Bring along a couple gallons of 100+ Octane too.
After the 93 Octane runs, dump that in, go to Map 8 and pull on him.
lol +1

After you mix in that 100 octane, they won't know what hit them.
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yes i drove the DCT m3 myself. As fun as it is cuz it sticks those corners and makes ur eyes wanna pop out of ur head it lacks BIG TIME in the torque department.
agreed.....no TQ, but plenty of HP up top, you have to wind the hell out of the engine but if you do you are rewarded.
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wow i thought E9x m3's were an easy kill with a tuned n54 ....nevermind that i guess lol
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E9X m3's are an easy kill with the right modifications on the 335i..................
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wow i thought E9x m3's were an easy kill with a tuned n54 ....nevermind that i guess lol
There's only two cases where a stock M3 can give a tuned 335i all it can handle:

1. If the M3 is a DCT version and especially the lightest e92 M3
2. If the tune only 335i is a 6MT and on 91 Octane.

If those two facts exist, put your money on the stock M3

But if the tune only 335i is a 6AT and on 91 Octane put your money on it if the M3 is a 6MT, and it'll be REALLY close if the M3 is a DCT

Now if the tune only 335i is a 6AT and on 93 Octane, put your money on the tune only 335i over any stock M3, but it will be pretty close with an stock e92 M3 DCT however.

With an additional mod on top of the tune, or octane higher than 93 and it becomes an "easy" win for the 335i over the stock M3's.
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There's only two cases where a stock M3 can give a tuned 335i all it can handle:

1. If the M3 is a DCT version and especially the lightest e92 M3
2. If the tune only 335i is a 6MT and on 91 Octane.

If those two facts exist, put your money on the stock M3

But if the tune only 335i is a 6AT and on 91 Octane put your money on it if the M3 is a 6MT, and it'll be REALLY close if the M3 is a DCT

Now if the tune only 335i is a 6AT and on 93 Octane, put your money on the tune only 335i over any stock M3, but it will be pretty close with an stock e92 M3 DCT however.

With an additional mod on top of the tune, or octane higher than 93 and it becomes an "easy" win for the 335i over the stock M3's.
+100. Very well said!

I do know that I pulled a guy in new e90 M3 pretty damn hard a few weeks ago, from about 40 to almost 120 when I shut it down to get off on my exit (I was about 1 - 1 1/2 cars in front, enough for me). He didn't seem happy at all , but I can tell you that he was in a heavier e90 (e92 for me), pretty sure he was DCT (I saw him shifting at the wheel) (I am 6mt), and pretty sure he was 100% stock, except for maybe an exhaust (kind of hard to tell when I was concentrating more on driving at that point, it was pretty loud and throaty though). Don't know what kind of driver he was either, but I can tell you that our (335) cars seem to love that near 40 roll mark in 2nd. I also run 93-94 octane and was running my higher user TQ and lower ign correction map (I also have the Stett CAI snd exhaust). I would run something a little beefier than 93, like everyone said add a little 100 octane for an added kick in the shorts and that extra oompf to get the W! If this is a "planned" run, I would make sure that he isn't out right now doing the same and adding pulleys, a tune, etc. as we speak to stack the odds?!? It is a totally different story from when I just had an impromtu run with M3 guy who is now wondering why and how he got smoked by a little 335i, although if he had some some mods it may have been a lot closer or even gone the other way...not in my favor!?

I am hopefully going to get my new IC, my tires and my Stett charge pipe with DV's installed this weekend, and then run stage2 That should keep the majority of new M3 boys in my rearview mirror, but damn that car (new DCT M3) is amazing, smooth and handles so much better (that is without spending $$$ to upgrade our suspensions).

Have fun, good luck and most of all be safe.

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