[scan] Sportauto supertest: BMW 335i (Nurnburgring laptime) - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Just_me · 09-16-2006, 05:11 AM

I have the article but my german isnt good. I hope their is a german here that can write a summary about the test. I have some info ut I want to know more

Laptime Nordschleife 8.26 min (4 seconds slower than M3)
Laptime Hockenheim 1.17,8 min (0,8 seconds faster than C55 and 1.5 seconds slower than M3)

0-100km/h 5.6 sec
0-200km/h 20,7 sec

36m slalom: 130km/h (M3 123km/h, C55 122km/h)
110m change lane: 136km/h (M6 137km/h, M3 136km/h, C55 134km/h)
Wet track: 1.36,8 min (M5 E60 1.36, 7min)

G-powers: 1.15g (C55, 1,10g and M3 1.10g)

Overall score: 45 points (1 point better than M3)

BMW, are they cheating? it is called the 335i even though it comes with a 3.0-litres bi-turbo engine. But the two 39mm turbo chargers give it the advantage same as 0.5 litres more displacement.

The powerful engine has no problem with the weight of the car, always offers enough power and makes it a pretty good performer even though it has no "M" in its name.

The engine and 6-spped manual transmisison are a pefect peering, only there is no mechanical limited slip differential but an ESP which always interferes with throttle and gas, lacks a bit of traction. But the power of the engine always preserves the enthusiam of driving one.

You have to get used to the new active steering whoch gives a preview on the future things to come from BMW.

The 335i is a true dream car, nothing else, the quickest coupe without the "M" in its name.

Acceleration 335i:
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5.5 s /6.5s / 7.9s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 11.4s/13,7s/16.7s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,8s/17,8S/ ---

M3
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5,2 s / 6,6 s / 9,5 s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 10,9 s / 13,9 s / 18,9 s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,1 s / 17,4 s / 25 s

C55
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 6,3 s / 7,9 s / --- s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 12,8 s / 15,9 s / --- s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 16,3 s / 20,2 s / - s

Pretender · 09-16-2006, 06:16 AM

It's a joke to buy a C55 AMG V8 5.4L and get smoked by a bimmer coupe without the M badge. This reminds me of the license plate a while ago:
AMG LOL

Paul330d · 09-16-2006, 06:40 AM

I would be really interested if it didn't have such an ungainly ass

///MWA · 09-16-2006, 10:01 AM

faster than c55

remmib · 09-16-2006, 10:33 AM

Great job on the scan, thanks.

The 335i is so fast, great numbers

chonko · 09-16-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretender

It's a joke to buy a C55 AMG V8 5.4L and get smoked by a bimmer coupe without the M badge. This reminds me of the license plate a while ago:
AMG LOL

There is a C63 AMG to counter that.

ALPINE6SPD · 09-16-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul330d

I would be really interested if it didn't have such an ungainly ass

Then get the sedan

Robin Hood · 09-16-2006, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

Then get the sedan

same thoughts here

SP330 · 09-16-2006, 11:52 AM

Thats awesome. The E92 M3 has some really big shoes to fill.

conocelo · 09-16-2006, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chonko

There is a C63 AMG to counter that.

and much $$$$$$ more.

Pretender · 09-16-2006, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chonko

There is a C63 AMG to counter that.

Counter what? 6.2L V8 vs. 3.0L inline 6 ? and what is the price? 2x more expensive than the 335. Somehow, bmw becomes superior to MB...

noro · 09-16-2006, 09:48 PM

Only 4 seconds behind M3 on Nurburgring is pretty damn big achievement. That is really good stuff.

They had to build a car to stay on top for the next 7 years and they've done it.

Pedro · 09-16-2006, 11:05 PM

the twin turbo just continues to impress. beating an amg without the m badge has got to raised eyebrows to mb. mb needs to double the displacement to beat a non-///M vehicle? cant wait to see what the E92 ///M3 has.

Taittinger · 09-16-2006, 11:21 PM

The difference between the C55 and the turbos at the Nordschleife versus Hockenheim is interesting. I wonder if the torque advantage accounts for the better performance of the C55 on the Nordschleife. I wish the magazines here in the US ran these comparisons.

TracerHawk · 09-17-2006, 12:10 AM

Here's the most important aspect, the total score:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_me

Overall score: 45 points (1 point better than M3)

Rob66 · 09-17-2006, 12:41 PM

This 335i was running on 17" Bridgestone runflat tyres, they say that this is not at all first choice( only 1,15 g), there is very much potential for better results.

If you would compare the 335i with 18 or 19" Michelin Pilot Sports (like M3), there is no chance for M3 anymore.

And by the way, that 335i engine of the Sportauto was the weakest,which was testet until now! (0-100km/h 5,6sec, others beetween 5,0 and 5,3(even automatic)!

So this makes the results even more fantastic!

mimmitt · 09-17-2006, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob66

This 335i was running on 17" Bridgestone runflat tyres, they say that this is not at all first choice( only 1,15 g), there is very much potential for better results.

If you would compare the 335i with 18 or 19" Michelin Pilot Sports (like M3), there is no chance for M3 anymore.

And by the way, that 335i engine of the Sportauto was the weakest,which was testet until now! (0-100km/h 5,6sec, others beetween 5,0 and 5,3(even automatic)!

Is that grip measured in the metric system or something? I can't think of any mass production car in the world that can pull 1.15G's.

Rob66 · 09-17-2006, 12:55 PM

Difficult question! M3 CSL has for instance the record with 1,4 g !!! (with original Pilot Sport Semislicks)
I dont know, 1 g is acceleration of 9,81 M/s2, so how do you mean this exactly?:

mimmitt · 09-17-2006, 12:59 PM

In the US, the magazines NEVER get a skidpad measurement like that, period - with the exception of race-prepped cars. It's obviously measured differently.

akhbhaat · 09-17-2006, 02:03 PM

1.17,8 on Hockenheim is seriously fast.

Just_me · 09-17-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by akhbhaat

1.17,8 on Hockenheim is seriously fast.

here are other hockenheim laptimes done by sportauto

Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.17,6 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 1.17,6 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 1.17,7 min
Mercedes SLK55 (tested a second time) ---------------- 1.17,7 min
BMW 335i ---------------------------------------- 1.17,8 min
BMW Z4 3.0 Coupé ---------------------------------------- 1.17,8 min
Mercedes CLS 55 ---------------------------------------- 1.17,8 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ----------------------- 1.17,9 min
Mercedes E55 (476hp) ------------------------------------ 1.18,0 min
Mercedes SL 500 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,1 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 1.18,1 min
Bentley Continental MTM ---------------------------------------- 1.18,1 min
Audi S4 Sedan (V8) ---------------------------------------- 1.18,1 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Mitsubishi EVO 7 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,4 min
Mercedes CLK 63 ---------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mitsubishi EVO 6 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes CL 65 ---------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 1.18,5 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 1.18,6 min
Mercedes SLK 350 ----------------------------------- 1.18,7 min
Nissan 350Z ------------------------------------------------ 1.18,8 min
Audi S6 (435hp) --------------------------------------------- 1.18,8 min

The 335i has done an excellent work

findtom · 09-17-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretender

It's a joke to buy a C55 AMG V8 5.4L and get smoked by a bimmer coupe without the M badge. This reminds me of the license plate a while ago:
AMG LOL

That's a great plate.

09-16-2006, 05:11 AM	#1
Just_me Lieutenant Drives: RWD Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 510 iTrader: (0)	[scan] Sportauto supertest: BMW 335i (Nurnburgring laptime) I have the article but my german isnt good. I hope their is a german here that can write a summary about the test. I have some info ut I want to know more Laptime Nordschleife 8.26 min (4 seconds slower than M3) Laptime Hockenheim 1.17,8 min (0,8 seconds faster than C55 and 1.5 seconds slower than M3) 0-100km/h 5.6 sec 0-200km/h 20,7 sec 36m slalom: 130km/h (M3 123km/h, C55 122km/h) 110m change lane: 136km/h (M6 137km/h, M3 136km/h, C55 134km/h) Wet track: 1.36,8 min (M5 E60 1.36, 7min) G-powers: 1.15g (C55, 1,10g and M3 1.10g) Overall score: 45 points (1 point better than M3) BMW, are they cheating? it is called the 335i even though it comes with a 3.0-litres bi-turbo engine. But the two 39mm turbo chargers give it the advantage same as 0.5 litres more displacement. The powerful engine has no problem with the weight of the car, always offers enough power and makes it a pretty good performer even though it has no "M" in its name. The engine and 6-spped manual transmisison are a pefect peering, only there is no mechanical limited slip differential but an ESP which always interferes with throttle and gas, lacks a bit of traction. But the power of the engine always preserves the enthusiam of driving one. You have to get used to the new active steering whoch gives a preview on the future things to come from BMW. The 335i is a true dream car, nothing else, the quickest coupe without the "M" in its name. Acceleration 335i: 80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5.5 s /6.5s / 7.9s 80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 11.4s/13,7s/16.7s 80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,8s/17,8S/ --- M3 80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5,2 s / 6,6 s / 9,5 s 80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 10,9 s / 13,9 s / 18,9 s 80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,1 s / 17,4 s / 25 s C55 80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 6,3 s / 7,9 s / --- s 80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 12,8 s / 15,9 s / --- s 80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 16,3 s / 20,2 s / - s Last edited by Just_me; 09-16-2006 at 05:28 AM.

09-16-2006, 06:16 AM	#2
Pretender Colonel Drives: 2006 330i, 2007 328i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,280 iTrader: (1) View Pretender's Garage	It's a joke to buy a C55 AMG V8 5.4L and get smoked by a bimmer coupe without the M badge. This reminds me of the license plate a while ago: AMG LOL __________________ It's a great time to be alive

09-16-2006, 06:40 AM	#3
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09-16-2006, 10:33 AM	#5
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09-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#16
Rob66 Private Drives: Audi S5, MB CLK 320, Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 34 iTrader: (0)	And here is the most important adding!!! This 335i was running on 17" Bridgestone runflat tyres, they say that this is not at all first choice( only 1,15 g), there is very much potential for better results. If you would compare the 335i with 18 or 19" Michelin Pilot Sports (like M3), there is no chance for M3 anymore. And by the way, that 335i engine of the Sportauto was the weakest,which was testet until now! (0-100km/h 5,6sec, others beetween 5,0 and 5,3(even automatic)! So this makes the results even more fantastic!

09-16-2006, 10:01 AM	#4
///MWA Private First Class Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arabian Gulf Posts: 152 iTrader: (0) View ///MWA's Garage	faster than c55

09-16-2006, 11:52 AM	#9
SP330 Lieutenant Drives: Z4 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: City Of Brotherly Love Posts: 514 iTrader: (0)	Thats awesome. The E92 M3 has some really big shoes to fill.

09-16-2006, 09:48 PM	#12
noro Colonel Drives: E30 M3 / E92 335i Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 2,263 iTrader: (0)	Only 4 seconds behind M3 on Nurburgring is pretty damn big achievement. That is really good stuff. They had to build a car to stay on top for the next 7 years and they've done it.

09-16-2006, 11:05 PM	#13
Pedro Private Drives: 2003 530iA Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The South Posts: 39 iTrader: (0)	the twin turbo just continues to impress. beating an amg without the m badge has got to raised eyebrows to mb. mb needs to double the displacement to beat a non-///M vehicle? cant wait to see what the E92 ///M3 has.

09-16-2006, 11:21 PM	#14
Taittinger Captain Drives: Monaco Blue E92 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 985 iTrader: (0) View Taittinger's Garage	The difference between the C55 and the turbos at the Nordschleife versus Hockenheim is interesting. I wonder if the torque advantage accounts for the better performance of the C55 on the Nordschleife. I wish the magazines here in the US ran these comparisons.

09-17-2006, 12:55 PM	#18
Rob66 Private Drives: Audi S5, MB CLK 320, Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 34 iTrader: (0)	Hmm? Difficult question! M3 CSL has for instance the record with 1,4 g !!! (with original Pilot Sport Semislicks) I dont know, 1 g is acceleration of 9,81 M/s2, so how do you mean this exactly?:

09-17-2006, 12:59 PM	#19
mimmitt Private First Class Drives: 2003 M3 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 54 iTrader: (0)	In the US, the magazines NEVER get a skidpad measurement like that, period - with the exception of race-prepped cars. It's obviously measured differently.

09-17-2006, 02:03 PM	#20
akhbhaat Captain Drives: ///M318ti Type-R Turbo Join Date: May 2005 Location: Straddling the pond. Posts: 824 iTrader: (0)	1.17,8 on Hockenheim is seriously fast. __________________ No significant quantities of judgment-impairing narcotics were consumed during or before the creation of this message.