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      09-20-2009, 01:20 PM   #23
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Go test drive a 335d.
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      09-20-2009, 02:08 PM   #24
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Yep, defo, will have to try it.
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      09-20-2009, 03:01 PM   #25
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Well, I've been for the drive, and there were defo not Ferrari Noises! It did sound good though.
Well at least you were not disappointed!

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Apparently the 330D I drove is the only used Manual face lifted car in the country - I didn't buy it so I think perhaps I might need to accept that I'm probably going to have to get an auto.
I think finding a used LCI model as a manual will be a problem, as you have found, and an auto will IMO be as good as a manual whilst probably offering slightly better mpg.

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I enjoyed the drive. I have to say though that I was expecting it to feel a lot more rapid than it did. I think though it was because the car is so smooth and quiet that it doesn't feel a quick as it is.
Very much a problem with most modern cars these days, most of them lull you into a false sense of security, and you're in license losing territory very quickly, and for far too long before you realise.

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I had noticed they had a 56 plate 335d in stock too and I asked if I could drive it as a comparison. The salesman was very reluctant to let me stating that he had another customer waiting, and that the 335d is no quicker under 100mph so there is no point driving it.
I rather suspect that the sales guy was desperate to offload the manual 330D on you, and was worried that letting you in the bigger variant would spoil his sale, good 335D's walk out of the showrooms on their own!
The 330D is quick with little in it 0-60, but to 100, the 335 is quicker no argument.

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When I later mentioned that I would like to exclude the 335i from my short list he had no trouble getting me behind the wheel of one of those. I tested a convertible with the double clutch auto box. It was good, but I wasn't blown away by it, and I think I preferred the 330d, especially when I looked at the economy readout!
Pointless exercise really as Gizze said, the salesguy was obviously getting desperate.

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From what I've read, none of you on here are going to agree with the statement that a manual 330d will be as fast a 335d are you?
No because in stock form it's not true, if it were, what point would the 335D serve?


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I appreciate book 0-60 times are about the same but I've never read anyone saying a 330d feels like an m3 under certain circumstances, where I have on a few occasions about the 335d.
Any comparison between either the 330D or 335D with an E92 M3 is pointless really, they're chalk and cheese, yes both diesels benefit from good low down torque, but the M is going to leave any diesel driver looking silly, embarrassed, and a long,long way behind! (stock diesels , not that a map will make much difference)

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I presume that not many of you have driven a facelifted 330d manual? For those of you that have driven a old 330d, how much does the autobox effect the performance?
I've driven the new auto, but not manual, but any difference will be negligible.

Given everything you have written to date,an LCI 330D will give you everything you will ever need, outstanding performance, coupled with excellent MPG, and as an auto the flexibility to go with the above.

Mapped, it will be awesome!
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      09-21-2009, 01:45 AM   #26
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Thanks for reply.

I'm interested to read that you say the auto will more economical, the official figures say the opposite.

Regarding the performance, I appreciate that the 335d is faster, its more powerful afterall. What's most important to me is acceleration up to the legal motor way limit - so 30 to 50 and the like. This is where I'm looking forward to testing out the twin turbo car becuse book figures suggest there won't be much difference over the 330, which does surprise me. Perhaps the 0-60 time is limited by traction off the line? Perhaps in a rolling start the gap will be much bigger?

I can't get out of my mind though how impressed I was with the heavier and less powerful 535d when I was a passenger....it felt a lot faster than the 330 I drove but I appreciate that cars always seem faster as a passanger!

Good point about the sales guy being keen to shift the manual car.
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      09-21-2009, 02:54 AM   #27
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I can't beleive there's only one manual 330d in the country. I accept there won't be many but just one?? Used 'manual' 330d's are obviously harder to find than the more common auto box but only one in the country sounds a bit far fetched - how would the salesman know knows this for sure. Tactics.
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      09-21-2009, 03:13 AM   #28
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I think he was referring to the fact that most of the used cars coming through are ex BMW cars and he has a list of which ones are available in the country and which ones will be available soon.

But you're right, he can't be sure there aren't any privately owned cars about to come onto the market.
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      09-21-2009, 03:52 AM   #29
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Banzi - I gave up on looking for a 335d and looked for 330ds - I'd say about 10-20% were manuals. Hard to find but there are some around.

Luckily a 335d came along that fitted the bill though.
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      09-21-2009, 04:53 AM   #30
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Banzi - I gave up on looking for a 335d and looked for 330ds - I'd say about 10-20% were manuals. Hard to find but there are some around.

Luckily a 335d came along that fitted the bill though.
You've obviously driven both then? But I expect the old 330d?
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      09-21-2009, 05:13 AM   #31
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Yep - old 330d only so no use to you. Newer 330d does look a fair bit more "useful." I'd miss that extra turbo though.
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      09-21-2009, 05:56 AM   #32
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Although I didn't think the extra performance of the 335i is worth the economy hit over the 330d, if I can get that performance and still have reasonable economy (i.e the 335d) then I think it's got to be worth going for.

Really looking forward to trying one now!!

Question about the 335d. When did the efficient Dynamics come in? Does it now include Stop-Start and by how much was the economy increased?
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      09-21-2009, 05:59 AM   #33
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Banzi - mid 2008, about 5mpg better and emissions dropped from just over 200g/km to a rather incredible 178!! The same as our 1.3 litre Jimny!!
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      09-21-2009, 07:53 AM   #34
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Thats areally good! What dopes the annual road fund licence cost? 177 isn't much more than an auto 330...
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      09-21-2009, 08:05 AM   #35
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Band I - 176-185
1 year - 175.00
6 months - 96.25

Now I think about it that figure is staggeringly low. I'm sure my 06 plate 330d is either the same band or possibly one higher. Amazing the performance you get for such low CO2.

I remember when looking at an X3, both the 3.0l diesels (single & twin turbo) had the same tax bracket. Think there was 1 CO2 between them. The mpg was near identical too but a whole second quicker to 60. Seems a no brainer to get a twin turbo to me. Obviously in a 3 series you've got the age-old manual/auto problem to possibly get over too (which is why I don't have a 335d). I may have over simplified the comparison here was BMW figures rarely reflect real world figures (except when it comes down to road tax luckily)
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Sep 2007 ED came in. Luckily no gay start stop shit.
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Sep 2007 ED came in. Luckily no gay start stop shit.
I do wonder if stop/start is any good. In mine when i stop for say 1 minute and the engine has stopped and started again I wonder if I am worse off.

Do you think there is a minimum stop time before you actually safe fuel as in older cars (3 minutes) or due to technology do you save immediately?
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The stop start in the 318d I had nearly made me crash twice! So not keen.
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So, in summary, start/stop MAY save you fuel but WILL cost you in body panels .

I thought it was a bit of an odd one really. I've had it a couple of times on courtesy cars. Found it more of an annoyance more than anything else but I suppose you just get used to it. No sooner had the engine cut out than it started up again. It kind of played on my mind about the extra wear & tear, if any, of the car (during start up) would eventually cost you far more than the fuel it saved.

I had a BMW behind me not long ago in a queue of traffic and it seemed that I kept getting flashed. I think it was the car start/stopping which dimmed the lights as power was redirected upon start-up.
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The stop start in the 318d I had nearly made me crash twice! So not keen.
How did you manage that....nearly.
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I think it had a problem - it was an 09 reg one with 6k miles but I lost the brake servo assistance when it switched off - down a steep hill (my drive) - twice. And yes, I did nearly stall both times (my fault). Forgot I was in a manual because the car looked just like mine inside!
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I think it had a problem - it was an 09 reg one with 6k miles but I lost the brake servo assistance when it switched off - down a steep hill (my drive) - twice. And yes, I did nearly stall both times (my fault). Forgot I was in a manual because the car looked just like mine inside!
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I didn't think the 6 cylinders had the stop start function, only the 4 pots.

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I am 3 months into a new 330d touring M sport auto. And believe me it's plenty fast enough. it's loosened up well now. The Ferrari engine note a bit of an exaggeration but still produces a fantastic growl. A few people slag off the Auto but for me this car is a company purchase and work tool. All cars are compromises but this is as close to perfect for me. reading 43.5 mpg!
One (minor) downside, can't get the iphone 3GS to play music even though I have pro nav. told i need to spec 6NL or something but after spending 2K on pro nav. hey ho. there are plenty of music options though.
In all i can't believe the (current) 335d can be mush better. If you're that bothered about performance get a used M3.
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