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      06-13-2005, 02:43 PM   #89
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      06-14-2005, 09:47 PM   #91
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Only put a deposit down at Momentum BMW in Houston, Tx

My dealer said they will not be able to move off the sticker at all, but I will see what I can do when it comes time for delivery

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My dealer says that Bmw Assist is easy to remove by simply putting foil over the reciever, So I think taht Lojac is a good idea
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      06-18-2005, 08:03 PM   #93
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my price

I got $1000 off MSRP on a 325I with almost no added features. A loaded 325 should get $1500 - $2000 off and a 330 should get even more. Bought mine at VOB in Rockville MD. Tischer was closer but they play pricing games. VOB was very straightforward and pleasant to deal with.
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      06-19-2005, 01:27 AM   #94
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$1500 above invoice

Howdy. New to the posts here. A member from bimmerfest.com as well.

I paid $1500 above invoice (not ED) in Los Angeles. Asked dealer to take out all the fees (including doc fee and any other fees except license and tax) and include one line on my paper that says : dealer profit $1500.

Makes live simpler for all of us rather than playing stupid games with them trying to decipher what advertising fee or wash/ wax or undercoating fee is all about (since they are essentially additional profits/ markups for dealers).

Ended up paying MACO though..I know some guys in Edmunds and Bimmerfest forums did manage to wiggle out from that as well, but I wasn't lucky enough. From my research, people are paying between 1200 to 1800 above invoice. Some guy actually got $800 above invoice, which was incredible. Most dealers need MORE than 3% profit. (Calculate that from your final invoice price BEFORE desination charge). But if your dealers around your area are competitive, you can find one that is willing to charge you less dealer profit. The key to negotiating is to let them know that what you are willing to pay is not a bullsh*t number, but a fee that you've arrived at after meticulous research. And don't waver from it.

Getting the $X above invoice is half the victory. Make sure you scrutinize your paperwork to make sure you are not getting charged with additional so called " mandatory" dealer fees. Nothing is mandatory, everything is negotiable. (unless of course its Tax/ License..)


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My dealer says that Bmw Assist is easy to remove by simply putting foil over the reciever, So I think taht Lojac is a good idea
Bear in mind that most car jackers are extremely hi-tech nowadays. If you have a nice car, they steal it and within minutes its already locked inside a shipping steel container on a truck. And LoJack cannot penetrate the steel to obtain a signal lock.

BMW assist is not so good either. They can only track it if the engine is on, or within 10 minutes after killing off the engine.

The way I see it, if they want to steal the car, there's not much you can do. One way people seem to be able to protect their car is via a kill switch.
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      06-19-2005, 02:50 AM   #96
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I have a question for all those out there that got a build to order, did you negotiate the final price at time of order, or time of payment (usually 14 days or so before pickup)? Thanks.

This question applies to both US and Euro delivery.
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      06-19-2005, 03:17 AM   #97
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I have a question for all those out there that got a build to order, did you negotiate the final price at time of order, or time of payment (usually 14 days or so before pickup)? Thanks.

This question applies to both US and Euro delivery.
I ordered my car on 5/23 with the price at $1500 over invoice, but nothing was set in my mind, didn't sign anything but the deposit sheet. Then thanks to another member local to me shared his buying experience, I was able to negotiate the final price just today of $1000 over invoice. My car probally will get here mid July, but it feels good to get the price out of the way!

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      06-19-2005, 03:29 AM   #98
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Thanks for the post. That is interesting, I thought people finalized the price when they did the order. I wonder how many people order first, and negotiate later?

HRC, did you not talk to the dealer about pricing at all when you ordered and put down the deposit? Maybe you were just very familiar with the dealer and were confident you would end up getting a good deal in the end.

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I ordered my car on 5/23 with the price at $1500 over invoice, but nothing was set in my mind, didn't sign anything but the deposit sheet. Then thanks to another member local to me shared his buying experience, I was able to negotiate the final price just today of $1000 over invoice. My car probally will get here mid July, but it feels good to get the price out of the way!

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      06-19-2005, 05:28 AM   #99
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Thanks for the post. That is interesting, I thought people finalized the price when they did the order. I wonder how many people order first, and negotiate later?

HRC, did you not talk to the dealer about pricing at all when you ordered and put down the deposit? Maybe you were just very familiar with the dealer and were confident you would end up getting a good deal in the end.
Everything except me going in a placing deposit was done by email only. I knew well before(since the first day I requested price quotes 5/9) I went in and placed my deposit on 5/23 that the dealership offer was $1500 above invoice. When I placed my deposit, the only things we talked about was the options I wanted and colors. We never once talked about the $1500 over price that was discussed in the emails. I was confident that even after I placed my deposit, if I found a better deal in my area, my dealer would match it or I would threaten to pull my deposit, although I wouldn't really want to that and start all over and wait 8 more weeks for just $500, so it was a gamble. But in the end, it never came down to that, he agreed to match the deal and I saved $500 and didn't have to pull my order.

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      06-19-2005, 05:45 AM   #100
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I have a question for all those out there that got a build to order, did you negotiate the final price at time of order, or time of payment (usually 14 days or so before pickup)? Thanks.

This question applies to both US and Euro delivery.
Hi RedStripe,
I, too, negotiated the price for $1500 above invoice. Put down a $500 deposit on my VISA card, didn't even sign anything. Now am just waiting for the car to arrive at my dealer.

I could do what HRC does, which is to try to get the dealer to come down more on the price after seeing the car when it comes in. If they don't want to give me a lower price I could walk away (Technically) and get my deposit back. Even if they don't want to give me back the deposit, I can still dispute it with my credit card company (which is why never put down deposit with cash..)

However, the thing is, if I am really SET on the particular car I "built to order" and I walk away from my 1st dealer. I will have to negotiate with another dealer for that particular car and that means, he might charge me extra to transport that car from my original dealer's lot to his lot. The other alternative is to build a new one and play the waiting game again.

I am not sure how I will approach my case as my car takes delivery on the 28th June. Since my sales person is way cool, I might just tell him how the market has changed and people are getting $1000 over invoice, I will ask him to throw in as much freebies as possible to make me feel better!
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      06-19-2005, 04:15 PM   #101
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Re-negotiating?

On principle, I would not try to re-negotiate it. It's what I offered and it's what I'll pay. Part of the reason that I am so turned off by athletes who sign a contract and then want to negotiate after a year or sit out of camp. :mad:

I wouldn't want my customers at work to agree to a price and then try to re-negotiate. It's one thing if the dealer screws-up my order.
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      06-19-2005, 05:03 PM   #102
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On principle, I would not try to re-negotiate it. It's what I offered and it's what I'll pay. Part of the reason that I am so turned off by athletes who sign a contract and then want to negotiate after a year or sit out of camp. :mad:

I wouldn't want my customers at work to agree to a price and then try to re-negotiate. It's one thing if the dealer screws-up my order.
The difference here is a "contract" was never signed. I didn't sign and later try to get a better deal. BIG difference. The dealer was at $1500 above, I never finalized price and the dealer never finalized it even at the time of order. For your principle issue, I never even gave my word that I accepted the $1500.00 offer. All I signed was a deposit sheet re options and color. I would have went with $1500 above if I couldn't get it lower. But I knew the real negotiatations wouldn't take place until before I sign the papers. So I found a local dealer that was doing it for a grand above and I simply asked my guy if he could match. My deposit was/is completely refundable anyways, so I could've pulled it and went somewhere else, it still wouldn't be a re-negotiatation because again no contract was signed just my deposit sheet.

I too dislike it when someone like Terrell Owens signs a contract and then doesn't honer it, but I'm no T.O.

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The difference here is a "contract" was never signed. I didn't sign and later try to get a better deal. BIG difference. The dealer was at $1500 above, I never finalized price and the dealer never finalized it even at the time of order. For your principle issue, I never even gave my word that I accepted the $1500.00 offer. All I signed was a deposit sheet re options and color. I would have went with $1500 above if I couldn't get it lower. But I knew the real negotiatations wouldn't take place until before I sign the papers. So I found a local dealer that was doing it for a grand above and I simply asked my guy if he could match. My deposit was/is completely refundable anyways, so I could've pulled it and went somewhere else, it still wouldn't be a re-negotiatation because again no contract was signed just my deposit sheet.

I too dislike it when someone like Terrell Owens signs a contract and then doesn't honer it, but I'm no T.O.

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Dude relax ok. I am not singling anyone out. I was only stating what I would do.
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Just came back from Wide World of Cars in Spring Valley NY and got $1,350 off MSRP. I payed $33,000 for 325i with manual, heated seats, sport package, sat prep, metallic paint and xenons. I dealt with Brian Sorce and he was very pleasant with me and even had to talk to his manager to see if he could get me a lower price (I asked if I could get $1,000 and he said that was easy and he'll see if he could do better). All in all i'm very pleased and he said my car would be here in the 1st or 2nd week in august.
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      06-27-2005, 03:01 PM   #105
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35800 out the door ED

What do you think??
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      06-30-2005, 04:07 PM   #107
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325i Sapphire Black
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35800 out the door ED

What do you think??
that looks like a good deal to me. What dealership did you go to?
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      06-30-2005, 11:35 PM   #108
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325i Sapphire Black
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35800 out the door ED

What do you think??
Looks like a good deal, what's the ED invoice on the specs? Sorry too lazy to do the math myself.
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I have to still complete my paper work but did get the PO from the dealer.
Passport in MD. I think the invoice runs about $1000 less then the quote. It sounds like a usual deal but I cant wait to get the car and dont have any patience for price hustling.
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I got my car for $1000 over invoice.
MSRP $41,295
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