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      10-08-2006, 11:58 PM   #89
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wonder why ppl keep on saying mobile1 5w30 is no good for the e90.
^^ Because it has been proven to not meet BMW specs for recommended oil.



300B - Why do you feel the owners manual is the holy grail? You just keep saying the owners manual says so, over and over again. E90Fleet has provided more than enough information (different sources as well) to show that what he is saying is the case. Personally I would believe an internal BMW service system/document before the owners manual. The owners manual is a static document with possible errors, while the service info is fluid and realtime. It contains the latest information.

I don't care if you run Mobil1 5-30 in your car. I hope it works out for you. The rest of us will go with BMW factory oil or Mobil1 0-40. I think it is time to agree to disagree.
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Yep, thats the one that pretty much closed the issue. Thanks!

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wonder why ppl keep on saying mobile1 5w30 is no good for the e90.
The reason is that the version sold in the United States is ACEA A1, on the thin side of the range of what is a 30 weight oil and has an HTHS of 3.09. It Also lacks BMW LL-01 approval.

On the other hand the Mobil 1 5W-30 that you can buy in Europe, like the oil your BMW dealer is using, meets BMW LL-01/-04 specs and is ACEA A3. So you see that not all Mobil 1 5W-30 oils are the same.

The Mobil 1 oil available in North America that is closest to the BMW oil that your dealer is using is 0W-40. This is a very good oil, recommended not only by BMW but by MB, Prosche and VW/Audi. It is no accident that this is called "European Formula".

The North American Mobil 1 5W-30 is a good oil, and I have used a lot of it with good results--in applications where it is appropriate. However it is not intended for 18,000 oil changes, and its lower HTHS compared to the BMW synthetic should raise a flag.
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As I recall 5W30 Castrol. The name 'BMW Castrol' is on my oil fillercap too. Is this only for EU?
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As I recall 5W30 Castrol. The name 'BMW Castrol' is on my oil fillercap too. Is this only for EU?
The dealer's oil appears to be Castrol 5W-30 TXT. which is not available in the States outside of the BMW dealer network. However the Castrol 0W-30 that is generally available here is LL-01, and is held in high regard by oil fanatics.

However in the end the best deal right now is to just buy the oil at the dealer IMO. You wonít beat the price.
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However in the end the best deal right now is to just buy the oil at the dealer IMO. You wonít beat the price.
depends on the dealer. one of the dealers close to me will have it at $5-6 if it's on sale. if not, it's $8 a quart!
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^^ Because it has been proven to not meet BMW specs for recommended oil.



300B - Why do you feel the owners manual is the holy grail? You just keep saying the owners manual says so, over and over again. E90Fleet has provided more than enough information (different sources as well) to show that what he is saying is the case. Personally I would believe an internal BMW service system/document before the owners manual. The owners manual is a static document with possible errors, while the service info is fluid and realtime. It contains the latest information.

I don't care if you run Mobil1 5-30 in your car. I hope it works out for you. The rest of us will go with BMW factory oil or Mobil1 0-40. I think it is time to agree to disagree.

Mobil 1 5-30 or 0-40 may or may not meet (i really don't know all the facts) BMW's requirements if you keep it in your engine for 15K miles, however for people like myself who changes their oil every 5K miles I don't see anything wrong with it. I know it is a completely different engine but we went through this whole thing w/ my girlfriends MINI Cooper S where MINI is recomending only MINI Engine Oil.... I have been doing inbetween oil changes on the MINI using Mobil 1 and we had zero problems for far......And I have talked to couple of MINI & BMW tech's on the side and they all gave me the for Mobil 1..... I have been using this stuff for years and no complains so far..... My 335 will be getting oil changes every 5 miles most likely with Mobil 1.......But like I said using the right oil down to detail might be important if you keep it in your engine for over 15K miles which will never be the case for me.
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The reason is that the version sold in the United States is ACEA A1, on the thin side of the range of what is a 30 weight oil and has an HTHS of 3.09. It Also lacks BMW LL-01 approval.

On the other hand the Mobil 1 5W-30 that you can buy in Europe, like the oil your BMW dealer is using, meets BMW LL-01/-04 specs and is ACEA A3. So you see that not all Mobil 1 5W-30 oils are the same.

The Mobil 1 oil available in North America that is closest to the BMW oil that your dealer is using is 0W-40. This is a very good oil, recommended not only by BMW but by MB, Prosche and VW/Audi. It is no accident that this is called "European Formula".

The North American Mobil 1 5W-30 is a good oil, and I have used a lot of it with good results--in applications where it is appropriate. However it is not intended for 18,000 oil changes, and its lower HTHS compared to the BMW synthetic should raise a flag.
You think the NA operations are too stupid not to know the differences between the M1 versions?
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Yep, thats the one that pretty much closed the issue. Thanks!

For the M54/E46 it does.

An E90 is a different automobile all together.
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^^ Because it has been proven to not meet BMW specs for recommended oil.



300B - Why do you feel the owners manual is the holy grail? You just keep saying the owners manual says so, over and over again. E90Fleet has provided more than enough information (different sources as well) to show that what he is saying is the case. Personally I would believe an internal BMW service system/document before the owners manual. The owners manual is a static document with possible errors, while the service info is fluid and realtime. It contains the latest information.

I don't care if you run Mobil1 5-30 in your car. I hope it works out for you. The rest of us will go with BMW factory oil or Mobil1 0-40. I think it is time to agree to disagree.

So your telling me BMW NA is too stupid to know they have been recommending the wrong oil all this time right .
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The reason is that the version sold in the United States is ACEA A1, on the thin side of the range of what is a 30 weight oil and has an HTHS of 3.09. It Also lacks BMW LL-01 approval.

On the other hand the Mobil 1 5W-30 that you can buy in Europe, like the oil your BMW dealer is using, meets BMW LL-01/-04 specs and is ACEA A3. So you see that not all Mobil 1 5W-30 oils are the same.

The Mobil 1 oil available in North America that is closest to the BMW oil that your dealer is using is 0W-40. This is a very good oil, recommended not only by BMW but by MB, Prosche and VW/Audi. It is no accident that this is called "European Formula".
The North American Mobil 1 5W-30 is a good oil, and I have used a lot of it with good results--in applications where it is appropriate. However it is not intended for 18,000 oil changes, and its lower HTHS compared to the BMW synthetic should raise a flag.
It lost that moniker when the SM formulation came out.

M1 is a PAO and Softec is hydrocracked dino.

I'll take the PAO for a 15k interval anyday.
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wonder why ppl keep on saying mobile1 5w30 is no good for the e90.

Some guys think they are smarter and think they know better than what the manufacter says.
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      10-09-2006, 03:00 PM   #102
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Word from 1 of the BMW NA engineers I emailed

1) N52 requires at least LL-01 in ALL markets

2) Germany sets all oil requirements and does the oil approval tests.

3) Oils given in little service booklet are for topup, because BMW expects customers to have full oil changes done for free at dealers

4) He believes there are 2 typos, first the 5W-40 should be the LL-01 approved 0W-40

Secondly the older "standard" 5W-30 is definately NOT approved, but the new USA "Gold Top" "Extended performance" Mobil 1 5w-30 is busy being tested by BMW Germany and BMW NA believes it will get its LL-01 approval since it is similar to the European one that got LL-04 approval.
But second typo the list should have said the extended version and not the standard version.

But again, the oil is not approved for full services yet, just for topups

He will be informing his managers as to the believed typos in the booklets and that they should clearly state its for topups


He says they believe in the USA the "BMW synthetic" is the best one to choose, because its additive package was specifically designed for BMW by Castrol.
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here's a reply back from exxon-mobil, regarding mobil1 5w-30 sold in the US:
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The Mobil1 5W30 motor oils is factory filled with the Corvette (meeting their tough standards) and many other GM factory fill standards, all API "SM" requirements and it also meets the tough ILSAC GF-4 approvals. Formulating the Mobil1 5W30 motor oil to meet the newer BMW requirements would mean losing other approvals listed above and we are not willing to do that.
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here's a reply back from exxon-mobil, regarding mobil1 5w-30 sold in the US:

The Mobil1 5W30 motor oils is factory filled with the Corvette (meeting their tough standards) and many other GM factory fill standards, all API "SM" requirements and it also meets the tough ILSAC GF-4 approvals. Formulating the Mobil1 5W30 motor oil to meet the newer BMW requirements would mean losing other approvals listed above and we are not willing to do that.

I believe this is why its not on the list yet, and why they only expect it to possibly get the LL-01 approval and not the newer LL-04 approval
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I believe this is why its not on the list yet, and why they only expect it to possibly get the LL-01 approval and not the newer LL-04 approval
i actually specifically asked about the regular mobil1 5w-30 sold in the US (which meets GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec), Ford WSS-M2C929-A, ACEA A1/B1, ILSAC GF-4 (API Certified - Starburst)), not the mobil1 extended peformance 5w-30.
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i actually specifically asked about the regular mobil1 5w-30 sold in the US (which meets GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec), Ford WSS-M2C929-A, ACEA A1/B1, ILSAC GF-4 (API Certified - Starburst)), not the mobil1 extended peformance 5w-30.
Ah, ok, hence why BMW say that one is NOT approved, and Mobil say they would have to change it to get approval

Will be interesting to see if the extended performance will get it
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Ah, ok, hence why BMW say that one is NOT approved, and Mobil say they would have to change it to get approval

Will be interesting to see if the extended performance will get it
The hths and 212 f viscositys are practically identical for the EP and non EP M1's(actually the non EP is a wee bit thicker).

The LL-04 is a lows SAPS product with lower certain additive levels,similar to the US SM spec btw.

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