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      10-10-2006, 10:19 AM   #111
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For the M54/E46 it does.

An E90 is a different automobile all together.
But it has the same oil requirements. LL01. Therefore the data is applicable.

Are you a Mobil 1 sales or marketing rep specializing in 5-30w oil? I can't think of any other reason someone would be so adamant and passionate about a specific type/weight of oil.

I am a huge fan of Mobil 1 and have been using it all my cars for years. They make a great product so long as you use the correct one.
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      10-10-2006, 10:21 AM   #112
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A small recap of what was said in the previous 6 pages...

USE MOBIL 1 0W-40~!!!!
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      10-10-2006, 10:41 AM   #114
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Thanks...

Thanks E90Fleet (and others). This thread has been very educational!

After your coorespondence with the BMW NA engineer I will switch to using Mobil 1 0w-40 for my mid-term oil change (or use BMW oil if possible).

Thanks again for everyones research. This whole thread could have been avoided if BMW did not have typos in their manuals (but none of us are perfect).
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Just wondering... but why doesn't anyone use Amsoil 5w40? o_O

That's what I use in my BMWs ... it has LL-04 on it, so I think its okay... Is there any reason people seem to be avoiding it?
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That's what I use in my BMWs ... it has LL-04 on it, so I think its okay...
Should be fine then
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      10-10-2006, 11:53 AM   #117
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Should be fine then

Just because Amsoil recommends it for LL-04 applications means it has been certified by BMW.

Mobil and Castrol have been certified and you better belive that getting that approval cost dough.

Don't go blindly recommending stuff now.

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But it has the same oil requirements. LL01. Therefore the data is applicable.

Are you a Mobil 1 sales or marketing rep specializing in 5-30w oil? I can't think of any other reason someone would be so adamant and passionate about a specific type/weight of oil.

I am a huge fan of Mobil 1 and have been using it all my cars for years. They make a great product so long as you use the correct one.
No I am not.

I like to go by the owners manual recommendations and here is what they say:"BMW continously approves specific oils after confirming their suitability for use in it's vehicles with extensive testing." Page 120

Also in the service and warranty information book on page 4 it states:

"At the time of this printing of this booklet,the following oils are strongly recommended and approved by BMW"

BMW HP 5W30
M1 5W30
M1 5W40

This info applies to all 06 E90's sold here in the US.

I like to use thinnest group 4 oil I can use.
It will result in better fuel economy and less wear.
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Look, I donít think people are disputing that the owners manual says to use M1 5-30. Just that it may be a typo as the 5-30 in Europe is different oil, and that may be where it came from. Mobil in the US only lists 0-40 as applicable for a modern BMW, so that is what I use. You are free to use what ever oil you want. Itís your car.

I agree with your reasoning for oil choice, but am curious about your statement of less wear. Is that based on the fact that a thinner oil will get up into the head and cyl. faster on start up? If so, wouldn't the 0-40 do a better job as it has a lower cold viscosity?


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No I am not.

I like to go by the owners manual recommendations and here is what they say:"BMW continously approves specific oils after confirming their suitability for use in it's vehicles with extensive testing." Page 120

Also in the service and warranty information book on page 4 it states:

"At the time of this printing of this booklet,the following oils are strongly recommended and approved by BMW"

BMW HP 5W30
M1 5W30
M1 5W40

This info applies to all 06 E90's sold here in the US.

I like to use thinnest group 4 oil I can use.
It will result in better fuel economy and less wear.
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Look, I don’t think people are disputing that the owners manual says to use M1 5-30. Just that it may be a typo as the 5-30 in Europe is different oil, and that may be where it came from. Mobil in the US only lists 0-40 as applicable for a modern BMW, so that is what I use. You are free to use what ever oil you want. It’s your car.

I agree with your reasoning for oil choice, but am curious about your statement of less wear. Is that based on the fact that a thinner oil will get up into the head and cyl. faster on start up? If so, wouldn't the 0-40 do a better job as it has a lower cold viscosity?
the other mobil1 oil mentioned in the manual is 5w-40, which is not even available in the US, which further leads me to believe there is misinformation in the manual.

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From BMW: Castrol 5W30 TXT (LL01)
correct, but the US does not get this version. the only castrol oil sold in the US that is LL-01 approved is castrol syntec 0w30, which is also known as german castrol (or GC for short) since it's made in germany.
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Look, I donít think people are disputing that the owners manual says to use M1 5-30. Just that it may be a typo as the 5-30 in Europe is different oil, and that may be where it came from. Mobil in the US only lists 0-40 as applicable for a modern BMW, so that is what I use. You are free to use what ever oil you want. Itís your car.

I agree with your reasoning for oil choice, but am curious about your statement of less wear. Is that based on the fact that a thinner oil will get up into the head and cyl. faster on start up? If so, wouldn't the 0-40 do a better job as it has a lower cold viscosity?

Yes thinner oils will circulate faster,important in an engine like the N52.

M1 0W40 is thicker at start up vs M1 5W30 until you get around to -40f,then it overtakes it.

M1 5W30 is also VERY shear stable so it will protect very well.
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Word from 1 of the BMW NA engineers I emailed

1) N52 requires at least LL-01 in ALL markets

2) Germany sets all oil requirements and does the oil approval tests.

3) Oils given in little service booklet are for topup, because BMW expects customers to have full oil changes done for free at dealers

4) He believes there are 2 typos, first the 5W-40 should be the LL-01 approved 0W-40

Secondly the older "standard" 5W-30 is definately NOT approved, but the new USA "Gold Top" "Extended performance" Mobil 1 5w-30 is busy being tested by BMW Germany and BMW NA believes it will get its LL-01 approval since it is similar to the European one that got LL-04 approval.
But second typo the list should have said the extended version and not the standard version.

But again, the oil is not approved for full services yet, just for topups

He will be informing his managers as to the believed typos in the booklets and that they should clearly state its for topups


He says they believe in the USA the "BMW synthetic" is the best one to choose, because its additive package was specifically designed for BMW by Castrol.

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Thank you for all the great informaiton you have provided so far. I don't want to get into too much detail, but based on the last quote from the engineer you spoke with, would I be correct to assume the BMW oil is a better choice than Mobil 1 0W - 40 because its additive package was specifically designed for BMW by Castrol?

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has anybody done or thinking about using a full royal purple setup? i think due to our turbos it will work well. any thoughts?
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I picked up 7 qts of Royal Purple at the PX for 57 bucks.

I am conducting my oil change today or tomorrow.

For those with twin turbos...I found this

http://www.royalpurple.com/prodsa/rpro.html
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As far as know BMW has had a long relationship with Castrol products in the past. I would use Castrol Syntec and would go for performance type 0W-40.

Ask your dealer, what they advise and what is BMW Oil they use.
Mobil Syntetic is also good but I think Castrol is better.
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What about Royal Purple or Mobil 1 full synthetic. Arent synthetic oils better especially in turbo charged engines?
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Just wondering... but why doesn't anyone use Amsoil 5w40? o_O

That's what I use in my BMWs ... it has LL-04 on it, so I think its okay... Is there any reason people seem to be avoiding it?
I use Amsoil 5w40 -- it's 10 bucks a quart, it HAS to be good!
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I use Amsoil 5w40 -- it's 10 bucks a quart, it HAS to be good!
I buy single malt scotch that's priced over $40 for 750 ml... if Amsoil is $10/qt, the scotch has to be better!
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I buy single malt scotch that's priced over $40 for 750 ml... if Amsoil is $10/qt, the scotch has to be better!
hell yea, i'd have the scotch too please!
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