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      12-06-2009, 07:27 PM   #1
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Hard Jet Black

A couple of years ago I did not opt for my favorite color Jet Black when I ordered my E92 coupe because of the reputation it had extremely soft clear. That reputation was confirmed by a few pro detailers who's opinion I trust.

I did an 09 Jet Black 335i Coupe today and it was typical BMW hard. Anyone else with experience with the new Jet Black and can either confirm I'm nuts or tell me it's changed over the past couple of years to regular hardness. I mean I hit some areas with M105 and the KBM and while it made a difference it didn't give me the punch I thought it would to completely remove some scratches. The scratches weren't too deep for my normal correction routine but the paint laughed at SIP/ Orange pad on my rotary up to 1800 RPM.

I took some pics but haven't downloaded them from my camera yet. I'll post em up if they show what I mean.
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The scratches weren't too deep for my normal correction routine but the paint laughed at SIP/ Orange pad on my rotary up to 1800 RPM.
Well, if that's the case then you're right, it's definitely a change and will be news to a lot of detailers here.
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Well, if that's the case then you're right, it's definitely a change and will be news to a lot of detailers here.
i just detailed mine and it was really hard to work on it, even i detailed last week an m3 jet black and too hard again to warm the clear up........

one pic of the m3 wich the owner is a friend member of the forum....

i will post it after... guyss...



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      12-06-2009, 09:37 PM   #4
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Good to hear, Sonic, at least I'm not going nuts or losing my touch.
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Good to hear, Sonic, at least I'm not going nuts or losing my touch.
at all trust me i did almost 8 hrs with SIP and mesuring all the time with the ptg i took off almost 1 micron, for the m3 and for mine 1 month old took me 10 hrs ( 3 steps polish)
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There definitely could be some validity to this. Pat (aka 328i) had the same thought a few months back. We planned on doing a test to compare the "old" JB to the "new" JB - a family member's 2007 750i and my 2009 328, both cars are JB. Due to my lack of time, it hasn't happened yet but I haven't forgot.

My 328 has never been polished and, surprisingly, has held up very well since I bought it. Would have never imaged JB could go 6+ months without needing some work, even hand washes exclusively. The 750i has been polished quite a few times and seems to need it pretty often, as typical with JB. This leads me to believe there's something to this.

Since both cars are accessible to me, this will be the first thing I do in the spring. Would be interesting to hear everyone else's thoughts in the meantime though. Unfortunately, I don't have the space to do any detailing in the cold weather.
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My 335i has a May 2009 build date and it has the typical soft Jet Black.

I might have gotten fleeced by a month or two.
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Thanks guys. It is reassuring to hear there have been other cases of what may be a paint hardness discrepancy in JB. Again, I was expecting the typical soft paint and this threw me for a loop. A time crunch was additional stress as I was expecting a routine quick correction with relatively soft paint. There were moments of pretty extreme pressure and Meg's 105 with my circular!!! If I had 10 to 12 hours I would have made some substantial improvement.
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Build date of January 2009:

Odly enough, I had some serious waterspots in my paint in a short while.

Even after having the car sealed with Opti Seal and Blackfire from day one. (Didnt even let the dealer wash the car).

Tried a vinegar wipe down, no correction.

I tried removing the waterspots with Poor boys Light swirl removal on White pad. No correction.
I then tried an orange pad, with no correction.

I moved to a Poor boys medium swirl removal on orange pad, with no correction.

All of this correction was done using a Rotary BTW.

Yet I can mar the paint while using the wrong MF towel to dry lol.

So is it hard or soft ? LOL

I can tell you this, never Jet black again, NEVER!

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I'll try to recorrect in the spring, car is put in storage for the winter here
I need to pick myself up a PC Random Orbital as my old generic one is shot.
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Odly enough, I had some serious waterspots in my paint in a short while.

Even after having the car sealed with Opti Seal and Blackfire from day one. (Didnt even let the dealer wash the car).

Tried a vinegar wipe down, no correction.

I tried removing the waterspots with Poor boys Light swirl removal on White pad. No correction.
I then tried an orange pad, with no correction.

I moved to a Poor boys medium swirl removal on orange pad, with no correction.

All of this correction was done using a Rotary BTW.

Yet I can mar the paint while using the wrong MF towel to dry lol.

So is it hard or soft ? LOL

I can tell you this, never Jet black again, NEVER!

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I'll try to recorrect in the spring, car is put in storage for the winter here
I need to pick myself up a PC Random Orbital as my old generic one is shot.
bring it to me!!
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bring it to me!!
Aside from the distance from me, there is no need as I am a detailer myself. Not as profession but more as a side gig.
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      12-07-2009, 06:15 PM   #12
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My 335i has a May 2009 build date and it has the typical soft Jet Black.

I might have gotten fleeced by a month or two.
Mine's 3/09. Not disproving your thought, just wanted to add that. The 750i is late 07.
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Btw Paul, I got my car out in the sun today and it looked amazing. You really did a fantastic job.

I don't know if build date has anything to do with it.

Mine was Nov 08 on my 09 JB 335. So those of you who are claiming you got shafted, mine was actually built before yours by the looks of it.
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I can attest to the '08 models having the softer clear. 12/07 build date here.
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Thanks Rog! I'm glad you're happy. BTW boyz 11/08 build date was hard as a diamond!
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Sorry guys, I just went through my pics and I generally suck at photography. I got some shots of the hood and rear deck lid but they don't really show what I was chasing too well. The problem is they look too good with the light I was using and I don't want to violate any new posting "policies". Couldn't really bring out the fender scratches I had a tough time with.
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there are two types of jet black. the older one (pre 07 i believe) that i had on my old E90 was soft as butter... even when i would wipedown with QD after a wash i could see the swirls i was puttiong in the paint. however the newer jet black has a much harder clear, and also has a small amount of metallic.
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Sorry guys, I just went through my pics and I generally suck at photography. I got some shots of the hood and rear deck lid but they don't really show what I was chasing too well. The problem is they look too good with the light I was using and I don't want to violate any new posting "policies". Couldn't really bring out the fender scratches I had a tough time with.
FYI - you may want to familiarize yourself with the updated forum rules here. I don't think you'd run afoul of any policies here by posting photos.

Back on topic, I'll have to check out the Jet Black cars on the lot the next time I'm at the dealer. Scheer is saying the new ones have some metallic flakes?
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I'm pretty damn sure mine has no metallic, but I haven't looked with a microscope.
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I believe my 07 Jet black had the slightest amount of metallic that was only noticeable under close inspection.
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ahhh the joys of owning a black vehicle...
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Better than owning a chick color (AW) my man....
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