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      04-23-2017, 08:01 PM   #1
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I auto crossed the new 540i. And let me tell you, it's garbage. Yes it's very comfortable and decently fast. But it feels like a boat. I don't know if some of the reviewers are paid off but there was definitely turbo lag, even in sport mode especially when the step down button was pressed. The steering wheel as expected was dead. You couldn't really tell what each wheel was doing only if you were sitting right above it would you be able to tell.

It was a terrible idea for BMW to advertise the sportiness of the 5 series. They should have done a course that tested the comfort of it.
The Ultimate driving machine shtick is getting old and misused. Maybe they should advertise as the Ultimate comfort or limousine machine.

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I auto crossed the new 540i. And let me tell you, it's garbage. Yes it's very comfortable and decently fast. But it feels like a boat. I don't know if some of the reviewers are paid off but there was definitely turbo lag, even in sport mode especially when the step down button was pressed. The steering wheel as expected was dead. You couldn't really tell what each wheel was doing only if you were sitting right above it would you be able to tell.

It was a terrible idea for BMW to advertise the sportiness of the 5 series. They should have done a course that tested the comfort of it.
The Ultimate driving machine shtick is getting old and misused. Maybe they should advertise as the Ultimate comfort or limousine machine.

That is all.
It's just the ultimate sales marketing machine these days with a small hint of BMW handling prowess. you really cant expect a 4000 pound luxury sedan to not handle like a boat, its not at home on the track...

unfortunately this isnt an e39 anymore. my f10 is probably an even worse handling car then the G30. stable, "decent" handling. decent composure and turn in for such a large sedan but falls short of old school BMW expectations.
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I auto crossed the new 540i. And let me tell you, it's garbage. Yes it's very comfortable and decently fast. But it feels like a boat. I don't know if some of the reviewers are paid off but there was definitely turbo lag, even in sport mode especially when the step down button was pressed. The steering wheel as expected was dead. You couldn't really tell what each wheel was doing only if you were sitting right above it would you be able to tell.

It was a terrible idea for BMW to advertise the sportiness of the 5 series. They should have done a course that tested the comfort of it.
The Ultimate driving machine shtick is getting old and misused. Maybe they should advertise as the Ultimate comfort or limousine machine.

That is all.
This is my shocked face. My F10 550i is a fucking barge even in sport+ but then I bought it as a luxury line variant for exactly that. The sport line ain't no M5 so it's a waste of money. And the G30 is wider, longer, taller, and heavier. Yeah, that'll be helpful. We'll see what the '18 M5 is like, hoping it's not a disappointment.
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This is my shocked face. My F10 550i is a fucking barge even in sport+ but then I bought it as a luxury line variant for exactly that. The sport line ain't no M5 so it's a waste of money. And the G30 is wider, longer, taller, and heavier. Yeah, that'll be helpful. We'll see what the '18 M5 is like, hoping it's not a disappointment.
I like the interior of the g30, but I have not really warmed up to the exterior styling. the next 3 series/m3 is really BMW's last chance to redeem themselves for still using the driving machine tagline. the f10, f30 are fine handling, capable cars, but gone is the soul and spirit from what made BMW so great. the only company that still stays true to driving enjoyment is Mazda - even BMW has sort of strayed away in chase of sales. the F chassis is supremely capable albeit with less communication and feedback then before.

the f10 has to be my favourite designed BMW. (no bias obviously) I've already had a few people say they agree that it looks better then the g30. the way the f10 takes styling cues from the e34 and so perfectly blends it with a modern design looks ridiculously good on style 269 rims and silver paint I just cant get over how good it looks.. but it handles like a god damn boat. you feel echoes of BMW around higher speed corners, but its shit at and heavy at low speed with oversteer. as soon as you start assaulting corners past 80KM/H transforms into a whole new car - light and nimble, limited lean and such easy to control RWD drifts at the limit. but how often can i do that without going to jail? the 3 series would have been a more enjoyable choice for me there is no doubt abou that. but my rare drivetrain makes this car a keeper regardless of the fact its a damn boat..
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All 5-series I have driven felt like boats. E34,E39 and E61, getting worse for every generation.

The 3-series seems to go in the same direction so if you want a sporty BMW, buy a 1-series or a Z.

Atm I have an E87 118d and E91 325i. I tend to drive the 1-series most of the time because it feels so much lighter and more fun to drive.
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My Mother's e28 528e automatic sure was the "Ultimate Driving Machine".

You guys need to get over yourselves. It's the same complaints with literally every single new generation of BMW. Too big, too soft, not sporting, blah, blah, freaking blah. If the company still made nothing but brand-new 2002's, some of you would be happy as clams, but of course, BMW would have gone out of business 40 years ago. And fun though they are, by modern standards 2002's really kind of suck.
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I like the interior of the g30, but I have not really warmed up to the exterior styling. the next 3 series/m3 is really BMW's last chance to redeem themselves for still using the driving machine tagline. the f10, f30 are fine handling, capable cars, but gone is the soul and spirit from what made BMW so great. the only company that still stays true to driving enjoyment is Mazda - even BMW has sort of strayed away in chase of sales. the F chassis is supremely capable albeit with less communication and feedback then before.

the f10 has to be my favourite designed BMW. (no bias obviously) I've already had a few people say they agree that it looks better then the g30. the way the f10 takes styling cues from the e34 and so perfectly blends it with a modern design looks ridiculously good on style 269 rims and silver paint I just cant get over how good it looks.. but it handles like a god damn boat. you feel echoes of BMW around higher speed corners, but its shit at and heavy at low speed with oversteer. as soon as you start assaulting corners past 80KM/H transforms into a whole new car - light and nimble, limited lean and such easy to control RWD drifts at the limit. but how often can i do that without going to jail? the 3 series would have been a more enjoyable choice for me there is no doubt abou that. but my rare drivetrain makes this car a keeper regardless of the fact its a damn boat..
G30 is garbage with understeer. You no idea what the wheels are up to until you've went past the limit.
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G30 is garbage with understeer. You no idea what the wheels are up to until you've went past the limit.
the 5 series isnt up for track duty, even the e90 barely is. its still too luxurious and heavy to be a track star. can it be taken to the track? of course. but is the e90 meant to be only on the track? 100% not.

anyways, I think its best not to judge a vehicle by a task it was never engineered to do in the first place - it's just unfair to the g30. if you judge it by how it cruises on the street and how it feels around moderately relaxed corners, you would love it. but... different strokes for different folks right?
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the 5 series isnt up for track duty, even the e90 barely is. its still too luxurious and heavy to be a track star. can it be taken to the track? of course. but is the e90 meant to be only on the track? 100% not.

anyways, I think its best not to judge a vehicle by a task it was never engineered to do in the first place - it's just unfair to the g30. if you judge it by how it cruises on the street and how it feels around moderately relaxed corners, you would love it. but... different strokes for different folks right?
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There is the fact however that Alpina can get the G30 as their B5 to have a 0-60 of 3sec, I think, and a top end of 205mph so there's hope the M5 will be worth swapping into from this 550i when it's available. The B5 will not be available in the states though, which sucks.
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Even the 3 series is a boat compared to what it used to be.
The 2 series or 1 is the only way to get some decent handling.
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G30 is garbage with understeer. You no idea what the wheels are up to until you've went past the limit.
the front axle firms up and the whole car wants to oversteer once you get past a certain speed. at lower speeds it understeers like a piece of shit.

there is little steering feel, but the chassis is communicative enough and capable for a car of this size. its handling is capable, but ponderous and not very direct.

lets just end this thread? we all know that the newer 5 series models are after luxury sales, not to satisfy us enthusiasts.
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the front axle firms up and the whole car wants to oversteer once you get past a certain speed. at lower speeds it understeers like a piece of shit.

there is little steering feel, but the chassis is communicative enough and capable for a car of this size. its handling is capable, but ponderous and not very direct.

lets just end this thread? we all know that the newer 5 series models are after luxury sales, not to satisfy us enthusiasts.
Sorry to drag this out lol. but what about M550I theyre putting some power on this one? From what I heard its a very capable car, and significantly better then the last gen 550i
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Sorry to drag this out lol. but what about M550I theyre putting some power on this one? From what I heard its a very capable car, and significantly better then the last gen 550i
a RWD M550i with a set of great tires would be a god damn blast around high speed sweepers and highways.
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the front axle firms up and the whole car wants to oversteer once you get past a certain speed. at lower speeds it understeers like a piece of shit.

there is little steering feel, but the chassis is communicative enough and capable for a car of this size. its handling is capable, but ponderous and not very direct.

lets just end this thread? we all know that the newer 5 series models are after luxury sales, not to satisfy us enthusiasts.
Okay fair enough. But I do feel like the Jaguar 1 uped BMW with the XF. Handling and steering feel. Though the 5 series might be more comfortable.
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Okay fair enough. But I do feel like the Jaguar 1 uped BMW with the XF. Handling and steering feel. Though the 5 series might be more comfortable.
the Jaguar v6 is not refined and that car is nothing but problems. I do not know which one handles better, but I would still go for the BMW either way, any day.

if you manage to come across a RWD 5 series like I did, that is a big advantage over the competition right there.

I wanted a light(er) and more nimble 3 series, but all I could find was fucking xdrive and turbos. so glad I went with RWD and N52.
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the Jaguar v6 is not refined and that car is nothing but problems. I do not know which one handles better, but I would still go for the BMW either way, any day.

if you manage to come across a RWD 5 series like I did, that is a big advantage over the competition right there.

I wanted a light(er) and more nimble 3 series, but all I could find was fucking xdrive and turbos. so glad I went with RWD and N52.
Turbos arnt everyones cup of tea, but a RWD 335i is quite a potent car, and if you haven't had a chance to drive one, the turbo lag is very unobtrusive
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Turbos arnt everyones cup of tea, but a RWD 335i is quite a potent car, and if you haven't had a chance to drive one, the turbo lag is very unobtrusive
I've driven one with a manual e90 and it had very little turbo lag. very capable vehicle with insane amounts of torque and seriously high limits. it was RWD and I simply cant see the need to get one with Xdrive.. the grip was insane.

I can imagine it would be a bit of a handful in the snow because of all the torque though.. but it handled incredible compared to what I am used to in the 5er.
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I've driven one with a manual e90 and it had very little turbo lag. very capable vehicle with insane amounts of torque and seriously high limits. it was RWD and I simply cant see the need to get one with Xdrive.. the grip was insane.

I can imagine it would be a bit of a handful in the snow because of all the torque though.. but it handled incredible compared to what I am used to in the 5er.
Off topic, but what made you choose the n52 F10 vs 335i
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Off topic, but what made you choose the n52 F10 vs 335i
I probably should have ended up going with an f30 n55 or even f10, but was scared away with the reliability issues. the N55 seems to be fairly reliable, but I wanted something naturally aspirated and super solid which is exactly what my N52 ended up being.

xDrive was completely 100% out of question for me. It was either RWD or something else all together and finding a RWD F10 or F30 here in canada is damn near impossible. the 2011 528i with the N52 was actually RWD only no xDrive option for that year and model which made my search a bit easier.
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