HPFP failure FAQ! - Page 5 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

otisore · 01-28-2010, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uym3

i WAS going to pick up a 335i tomorrow, but after reading all this make me want to reconsider, but i want it so bad..

the car is a DREAM to drive. i just bought a 2007 335i and ten days later it went into 'limp' mode and i took it in to get serviced to see what was up. at this time i new nothing about the commonality of HPFP failure and the service guy immediately told me that it was probably that. however, after a test, they ended up replacing the injector. the service guy said he tried to get the HPFP replaced, but BMW wouldn't authorize it because it didn't show up in the test. having said that, i was pretty pissed to be back at the dealer after day 10, but you know what? i LOVE driving this car and if BMW is going to fix it for free...the f**k it!

Oulixes · 01-28-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skeptic

SI B13 03 09 has been updated to include 2009 MY. Note it still refers to ...881 being the "New" pump.
...

Thanks for the post, skeptic. I am interested, since I am running a MY 2009 N54, so far on its first HPFP. After reading your post, I've checked the usual suspects: RealOEM list as current -881; Tischer lists -943.

wwjbd24 · 01-29-2010, 11:37 AM

my 335 (07 e92) had a normal crank today, but had the half engine light come on and some warning on the nav (reduced power)

could this be hpfp? do the cranks HAVE to be long

by the way, very very helpful info...sad, but informative. thanks alot

claykin · 01-30-2010, 09:50 AM

BMW says...."We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem."

wwjbd24 · 01-30-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by claykin

BMW says...."We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem."

a small percentage of vehicles means all vehicles sold. 335s are probably a small percentage to begin with!

Oulixes · 01-30-2010, 08:40 PM

A prspective on the HPFP problem:

From BMW SIB 13 03 09, Fuel Systems January 2010: "We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem."

Christoph Rauwald, DOW JONES NEWSWIRES, quotes BMW AG (BMW.XE): "Vehicle sales in 2009 fell 10.4% on the year to 1.29 million cars, but BMW retained the crown as the world's best-selling premium car maker ahead of Daimler AG's (DAI) Mercedes-Benz brand and Volkswagen AG's (VOW.XE) Audi AG (NSU.XE) unit."

The SIB dealing with the HPFP is much less specific than the BMW financial report, likely because the reliability of the pump is of not enough concern
to the company.

LagMode335i · 01-31-2010, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oulixes

A prspective on the HPFP problem:

From BMW SIB 13 03 09, Fuel Systems January 2010: "We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem."

Christoph Rauwald, DOW JONES NEWSWIRES, quotes BMW AG (BMW.XE): "Vehicle sales in 2009 fell 10.4% on the year to 1.29 million cars, but BMW retained the crown as the world's best-selling premium car maker ahead of Daimler AG's (DAI) Mercedes-Benz brand and Volkswagen AG's (VOW.XE) Audi AG (NSU.XE) unit."

The SIB dealing with the HPFP is much less specific than the BMW financial report, likely because the reliability of the pump is of not enough concern
to the company.

BMW can keep "estimating" all they want. I don't know why they estimate when they have the actual number. I believe the number when an independent third party is finally allowed to verify it. So, when are the 2010s going to get the extended warranty...?

lopealle · 02-03-2010, 03:42 PM

yaaaaayyyyyyy my HPFP finally died

. i been waiting for it i knew it was gonna happen. and just happen 2 days ago. took to the dealer and its good as new again. the HPFP lasted a good 34K+ miles

. i would say thats pretty good.

LagMode335i · 02-03-2010, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopealle

yaaaaayyyyyyy my HPFP finally died

. i been waiting for it i knew it was gonna happen. and just happen 2 days ago. took to the dealer and its good as new again. the HPFP lasted a good 34K+ miles

. i would say thats pretty good.

Sorry to hear that; 34K is pretty good. What was the part number of the replacement pump?

jt335i · 02-03-2010, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopealle

yaaaaayyyyyyy my HPFP finally died

. i been waiting for it i knew it was gonna happen. and just happen 2 days ago. took to the dealer and its good as new again. the HPFP lasted a good 34K+ miles

. i would say thats pretty good.

Sorry to hear that you've now joined the ever growing HPFP Failure Club.
On the other hand, at 34K, you should call the Guinness Book of World Records and submit a entry for the longest life of a 335i HPFP. Just kidding.

Hope you get another 34K out that replacement.

Me, I'm just playing Russian Roulette every time I drive wondering when the bullet is going to strike my 335.

minicrazy592 · 02-04-2010, 03:36 AM

What's the whole PN for the new pump?

Oulixes · 02-04-2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minicrazy592

What's the whole PN for the new pump?

13-51-7-592-943

My number is different from TrackRat's. Sorry about it, I would trust his number.

ducati955 · 02-04-2010, 07:24 PM

i have 11,000 miles... how much is the new pump? maybe i'll just replace it now

Oulixes · 02-04-2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducati955

i have 11,000 miles... how much is the new pump? maybe i'll just replace it now

The pump is available from Tischer. I believe, their price was given as being around $385. If you want to be sure, go to their web site, or search the forum, since the part number and price was given recently on the forum by someone from Tischer. Bear in mind that so far it is not clear whether the new pump will fix the problem, and for how long. The part number of the OEM pumps has been changed before, and the problem is still with us.

AWD Addict · 02-05-2010, 10:39 AM

I think my third pump failed this morning. Last night on the way home from work, had a very strong smell of fuel in the cabin (even with windows open). Wife was behind me for part of the drive and said she could smell it as well. This happened when my first pump failed as well.

This morning, had a very long crank, and when she turned over, she was stumbling and bumbling all over the place.

The pump in there now (third one) is the new model number. So assuming it failed again (which dealership hasn't confirmed, but symptoms appear to support) the new pump isn't the answer.

Getting pretty tired of dealing with this. It's affecting my job and life big time, and this isn't the economy to be the guy constantly having to get in late or leave early to figure out my car's service. Worse, I spent $50,000 so that I woulnd't ever have to worry about this sh!t anymore. :mad:

I'm going to have to seriously consider calling this thing a lemon. Problem is, there aren't any other cars i want to drive, and the damn 2010s are having the same damned issues.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-05-2010, 10:40 AM

^ You could have bought a Kia for the $12K range, and had it be reliable... Price doesnt make it reliable LOL

My $20K Acura was the best car I've owned, 70K miles, never saw a dealer ONCE. (at it was pushing near 400WHP).

AWD Addict · 02-05-2010, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thlax

I just had mine replaced on my 2010 335xi. 2 months of ownership, 2.5k miles.....maybe a lemon here.

heres a question for anyone:

how come it seems, if you get it once, it'll probably happen again..... where as some people never get the issue? If its the same part in each of the casr, is it the rest the engine that beats it up? or the driver?

it just is not adding up to me. i read about a car having it 2-4 times replaced where other have none...however its the same part in the 2 polar opposite cars! how does one fail several times in one car and not in the other?

I'm suspicious that the HPFP isn't hte problem as well. I think it's a downstream symptom, or a tangental issue to something else.

Same logic struck me.

AWD Addict · 02-05-2010, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Price doesnt make it reliable LOL

Well it sure the F should!

White_335I · 02-05-2010, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWD Addict

I think my third pump failed this morning. Last night on the way home from work, had a very strong smell of fuel in the cabin (even with windows open). Wife was behind me for part of the drive and said she could smell it as well. This happened when my first pump failed as well.

This morning, had a very long crank, and when she turned over, she was stumbling and bumbling all over the place.

The pump in there now (third one) is the new model number. So assuming it failed again (which dealership hasn't confirmed, but symptoms appear to support) the new pump isn't the answer.

Getting pretty tired of dealing with this. It's affecting my job and life big time, and this isn't the economy to be the guy constantly having to get in late or leave early to figure out my car's service. Worse, I spent $50,000 so that I woulnd't ever have to worry about this sh!t anymore. :mad:

I'm going to have to seriously consider calling this thing a lemon. Problem is, there aren't any other cars i want to drive, and the damn 2010s are having the same damned issues.

When did you replace the third pump?

dartz · 02-05-2010, 11:46 AM

OK, FYI, my brand new 2010 335i coupe just died with classic HPFP symptoms (i.e., long start times, then when running, malfunction engine - reduced power light comes on, engine stops and I had to coast off to the side of the road). Repeat process four times until I have BMW trailer it back to service center where it's been now for two days :-(

lopealle · 02-05-2010, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LagMode335i

Sorry to hear that; 34K is pretty good. What was the part number of the replacement pump?

13-51-7-592-881

here's what they stated:

car starts normally at this time. read fault memory. no faults stored. checked fuel pressure drop of low pressures fuek ciircuit as per SIB 13 08 09. low pressure fuel system pressure is 6 bar when running pump and drops to 4.6 bar after 10min performed high and low pressure fuel system test as per SIb 13 07 09. system passes all test as per N54 fuel system diag tree. high pressure fuel pump should be replaced.

and thats what they did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt335i

Sorry to hear that you've now joined the ever growing HPFP Failure Club.
On the other hand, at 34K, you should call the Guinness Book of World Records and submit a entry for the longest life of a 335i HPFP. Just kidding.

Hope you get another 34K out that replacement.

Me, I'm just playing Russian Roulette every time I drive wondering when the bullet is going to strike my 335.

i have never heard anybody making it as far as i have either. lol even though it fails and its bummer to drop it off at the dealer. i still love the driving experience. puts a smile on my face every time

wwjbd24 · 02-05-2010, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopealle

13-51-7-592-881

here's what they stated:

car starts normally at this time. read fault memory. no faults stored. checked fuel pressure drop of low pressures fuek ciircuit as per SIB 13 08 09. low pressure fuel system pressure is 6 bar when running pump and drops to 4.6 bar after 10min performed high and low pressure fuel system test as per SIb 13 07 09. system passes all test as per N54 fuel system diag tree. high pressure fuel pump should be replaced.

and thats what they did.

i have never heard anybody making it as far as i have either. lol even though it fails and its bummer to drop it off at the dealer. i still love the driving experience. puts a smile on my face every time

36k on the first pump here...

02-03-2010, 03:42 PM	#96
lopealle Resident Black Guy Drives: Lion Join Date: May 2009 Location: Federal Way, WA Posts: 2,254 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2006 M5 [5.00]	yaaaaayyyyyyy my HPFP finally died. i been waiting for it i knew it was gonna happen. and just happen 2 days ago. took to the dealer and its good as new again. the HPFP lasted a good 34K+ miles . i would say thats pretty good.

02-04-2010, 03:36 AM	#99
minicrazy592 Second Lieutenant Drives: 2010 E90 335I M-Sport :D Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Austin,TX Posts: 215 iTrader: (1)	What's the whole PN for the new pump? __________________

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Jeff@TopGearSolutions BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: C6 Z06, GSXR-750, 09 335i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: TopGearSolutions.com Posts: 12,470 iTrader: (25)	^ You could have bought a Kia for the $12K range, and had it be reliable... Price doesnt make it reliable LOL My $20K Acura was the best car I've owned, 70K miles, never saw a dealer ONCE. (at it was pushing near 400WHP). __________________ Latest Specials!! Email Me! Jeff@TopGearSolutions.Com Evolution Racewerks Charge Pipes and FMIC Sale ETS FMIC INTERCOOLER SALE! Cobb AP for BMW N54 & N55, Lowest Price! Like Us On Facebook For Discounts!

02-05-2010, 11:46 AM	#108
dartz Registered Drives: 2010 335i coupe Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Austin TX Posts: 1 iTrader: (0)	3500 miles - my 2010 335i HPFP just went :-( OK, FYI, my brand new 2010 335i coupe just died with classic HPFP symptoms (i.e., long start times, then when running, malfunction engine - reduced power light comes on, engine stops and I had to coast off to the side of the road). Repeat process four times until I have BMW trailer it back to service center where it's been now for two days :-(

01-29-2010, 11:37 AM	#91
wwjbd24 Private First Class Drives: e92 07 335i Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mid Atlantic Posts: 156 iTrader: (0)	my 335 (07 e92) had a normal crank today, but had the half engine light come on and some warning on the nav (reduced power) could this be hpfp? do the cranks HAVE to be long by the way, very very helpful info...sad, but informative. thanks alot

01-30-2010, 09:50 AM	#92
claykin Major Drives: 2013 335i M-Sport Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,375 iTrader: (0)	BMW says...."We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem."

01-30-2010, 08:40 PM	#94
Oulixes Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 330xi, 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Terra Borealis Posts: 1,942 iTrader: (0)	A prspective on the HPFP problem: From BMW SIB 13 03 09, Fuel Systems January 2010: "We estimate that only a small percentage of vehicles will actually develop a problem." Christoph Rauwald, DOW JONES NEWSWIRES, quotes BMW AG (BMW.XE): "Vehicle sales in 2009 fell 10.4% on the year to 1.29 million cars, but BMW retained the crown as the world's best-selling premium car maker ahead of Daimler AG's (DAI) Mercedes-Benz brand and Volkswagen AG's (VOW.XE) Audi AG (NSU.XE) unit." The SIB dealing with the HPFP is much less specific than the BMW financial report, likely because the reliability of the pump is of not enough concern to the company.

02-05-2010, 10:39 AM	#103
AWD Addict Chief Executive Drives: 2008 335xi 6spd Coupe Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 2,320 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 335xi [0.00]	I think my third pump failed this morning. Last night on the way home from work, had a very strong smell of fuel in the cabin (even with windows open). Wife was behind me for part of the drive and said she could smell it as well. This happened when my first pump failed as well. This morning, had a very long crank, and when she turned over, she was stumbling and bumbling all over the place. The pump in there now (third one) is the new model number. So assuming it failed again (which dealership hasn't confirmed, but symptoms appear to support) the new pump isn't the answer. Getting pretty tired of dealing with this. It's affecting my job and life big time, and this isn't the economy to be the guy constantly having to get in late or leave early to figure out my car's service. Worse, I spent $50,000 so that I woulnd't ever have to worry about this sh!t anymore. :mad: I'm going to have to seriously consider calling this thing a lemon. Problem is, there aren't any other cars i want to drive, and the damn 2010s are having the same damned issues.

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