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      03-23-2010, 09:53 AM   #45
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Where's your proof? Shell M-1375.4 is a specification. The base stock for Lifeguard6 is mineral oil. as seen in page 1 of the MSDS, under chemical breakdown: MINERAL OIL, ADDITIVES

http://www.tsgparts.net/images/pdf/Lifeguardfluid6.pdf



Then, why isn't it TE ML 11C since we know that A, B, and C denote ZF's longevity rating?

http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...014_en0700.pdf

also, why is it not on any other list? Lifeguard5 for instance is given a rating of 11B. Castrol Transmax Z is given a rating of 11B, and 14C. Why is it superior to a fluid like tansmax Z which is tested to be 14C (i.e: suitable for 1,000+hours or 2 years in BUSes, and heavy duty industrial vehicles? Looking at the MSDS for transmax Z, you can see on page 1 under chemical breakdown that its: synthetic base, and proprietary additives:

http://www.msds.castrol.co.nz/msds.a...no=450358-NZ07

yet it's inferior to LG6? even transmax Z it has better KV @ 40C/100C, VI, and Flash Point?



weird, its on the brochure that its 6hp:
http://www.crpindustries.com/pentosi...ssionfluid.asp its ZF, that called pentosin up, and is bullying them into stating other, despite, relabelling their fliud as "lifeguard5" and charging 2wice the price.



No. Things written on the label, is called marketing. Thats why we look at the government required MSDS. Despite the fact that mineral oil based castrol multivehicle is TE ML 11A, its still superior to LG6, with higher Viscosity (thus more resistant to shear), and flash points.



For more precise information on this, See our discussion, which socom ran from: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363648



I have pictures of this so called lifetime fluid in two of my cars, and It is clearly degraded by 40K miles (dark black and stinky) of light driving. Its original color is light brown. It is very easy to change your trans fluid. Just go to a local euro/import shop, and they have equipment to suck out the fluid and pump new fluid back in, like I and countless others have done. The dealership, won't do this, because they want to sell you a re-manufactured trans, and keep yours, for future re-manufacturing.



or for $4.68/quart, buy motorcraft Mercon SP, its the same thing.




yes, that LG6 is used in ALL 6 speed autos. from those handling extreme torque, to those handling very little. Was that smart? We know that LG6's sole use, was to provide gas milage savings only:
http://www.just-auto.com/ia.aspx?id=2403



I changed my fluid with pentosin ATF 1, at 51K miles (Do a search for my write up with pictures), and that didn't happen! Your full of myths, and legends.
Take it off Turkey. It's ok. The world is not out to screw you at every turn.

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Take it off Turkey. It's ok. The world is not out to screw you at every turn.

^^^
Childish.
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^^^
Childish.
But very funny.
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Where's your proof? Shell M-1375.4 is a specification. The base stock for Lifeguard6 is mineral oil. as seen in page 1 of the MSDS, under chemical breakdown: MINERAL OIL, ADDITIVES
Shell ATF M-1375.4 is the fluid, not a specification, just look in the link that you posted.

http://www.just-auto.com/ia.aspx?id=2403
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The automotive components specialists at Shell lubricants companies have developed a bespoke oil for automotive components company, ZF. The lubricant, Shell ATF M-1375.4, has been used by ZF to develop a state-of-the-art six speed automatic transmission, which is used in the new BMW six and seven series, Audi A8, VW Phaeton and new Jaguar models.
They say the lubricant, not the specification.

Plus the emails I received from ZF say the same thing.

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The ZF Lifeguardfluid6 is developed together with Shell and blended by Shell Hamburg. The Shell internal code name for this fluid is M-1375.4. This specialy developed fluid formulation will only be manufactured by ZF Service as ZF Lifguardfluid6 or via oil no. of the car manufacturers mentioned in the enclosed ZF list of lubricants TE-ML 11. No other oil manufacturer can sell this special fluid formulation therefor no legitimate substitute can be on the market.
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wow all these extensive research and discussion to prove your point is just out right silly. you guys probably did good enough of research to get a degree on ZF transmission and ATFs...
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wow all these extensive research and discussion to prove your point is just out right silly. you guys probably did good enough of research to get a degree on ZF transmission and ATFs...
Naw.. I'm just stubborn, and I like to have a little fun.
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wow all these extensive research and discussion to prove your point is just out right silly. you guys probably did good enough of research to get a degree on ZF transmission and ATFs...
To Hun77777: Socom, and racey BMW, I don't mind having a discussion with. You on the other hand, are the $60/liter sucker at the dealership.

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Naw.. I'm just stubborn, and I like to have a little fun.
yes you both are stubborn... a little...

it's very entertaining actually... great job on all the research. i'm sure forum appreciate...


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To Hun77777: Socom, and racey BMW, I don't mind having a discussion with. You on the other hand, are the $60/liter sucker at the dealership.
ok... it's $36/liter to be exact and what's your point sir?

i paid that at the dealer for peace of my mind, i'm all of sudden sucker? you are ok having discussion with other because they are all looking for aftermarket solution and i'm not because i settled with oem? really? c'mon...
there are many out there much rather pay the extra and get done with it than going back and forth worrying about stuff so i don't see what you are trying to prove here...
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So the N54 engine with an automatic uses the ZF and the N52 automatic uses GM?

Sorry, newbee here...
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what was the total price including labor for all the work you ahd done?
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lol, i like how this dead thread got a huge bump.

but now that it is back from the dead, can someone list their complete 50k service? im hitting 50k soon and would like to know whats up and not be too surprised.

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Differential Gear Oil -- Land Rover Dealer - PN: LRN7581 (Castrol SAF-XO)
If I'm not mistaken, the correct part number for Land Rover's Castrol SAF-XO 75W90 is LRN7591.
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Getting close to that 100K mark. Once I hit 120K, i'll be doing another brake flush, spark plugs, and oil filter/catchcan... not sure if i'm missing anything else, but as i get closer to that 120K mark, i'll be sure to post as much detail as possible again.
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I'm about to his 53k and I will be doing these services myself in the spring. I'm going to use BMW stuff to do oil change, plugs, PS flush, and Tranny fluid...my question is that is the part #Shell M-1375.4 the same for both auto and manual tranny's?
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I'm about to his 53k and I will be doing these services myself in the spring. I'm going to use BMW stuff to do oil change, plugs, PS flush, and Tranny fluid...my question is that is the part #Shell M-1375.4 the same for both auto and manual tranny's?
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..my question is that is the part #Shell M-1375.4 the same for both auto and manual tranny's?
Go with fluid from these guys.
http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...=184&parent=58

probably will cost about 50$ more max but its the RIGHT fluid.
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Go with fluid from these guys.
http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...=184&parent=58

probably will cost about 50$ more max but its the RIGHT fluid.
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And change the o-ring on mechatronic sleeve at the same time you perform the trans fluid and filter change.
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And change the o-ring on mechatronic sleeve at the same time you perform the trans fluid and filter change.
where can I find this sleeve?
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I trust these guys- http://www.thectsc.com/

For the record, I have no relationship with them
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where can I find this sleeve?
same website
http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...id=3&parent=10
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...it is just recommended to change the O ring tho not the actual sleeve
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