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      01-13-2010, 11:06 AM   #23
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I don't drag race alot, but I do from time to time. I also like to go to the track and tear up some tires. Occasionally hit up some auto-x. Then I can take it home, wash it, and go pick up women in my "luxury" car. To me it is just a great all around car, and it does very well in every category. It might not be the best track car, or the best drag car, or the most luxurious babe car... but it is like 9/10 in every category and it has style. Rustangs are just hideous cars, big heavy tanks with a gay sounding "echo" exhaust. The only american car I consider is a vette, but then again you gotta be 65 with 3 ex wives and gold chains around your neck to drive one. Turbo's are more fun to play with (tune) anyway

My previous car was a 350z which was pretty decent all around, not as much power for straight-line racing but VERY easy to throw on a turbo or 2. I was considering a turbo kit for it then just decided to get a 335i which had turbo's and a warranty plus I prefer an I6 over a V6 for boost. This car is faster than my z in every category, yet easier to drive and WAY better as far as quality and "nice-ness". I am 33, and the 335i also attracts a more mature crowd Plus, if you want attention, go run an 11 second 1/4 mile at the strip in your 335i and watch everyone "holy wtf" when nobody cares what some loud gutted out rustang or camaro can do... they are a dime a dozen.
I agreed with you 100% until the stang bashing started. Each car has their niche and I already have a fast all around mustang. For me my e92 does everything else better than my mustang except for straight line speed and I really appreciate that.

Drag racing is just easier to access and by doing so you can get some type of measure of how your car would do against various vehicles. I figure if I can trap 125 I should be able to give a non properly driven stock Z06 a problem or a GTR for that matter.
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The n54 has gone 11.3 in the 1/4 mile. Don't forget you also have a nice daily driver, something to take clients out in, something the wife wouldn't mind riding in, doesn't burst your ear drums, is relatively reliable, etc?
That is exactly why I bought this car. I was going to buy an Evo IX and mod the shit out of it but whatever I bought I had to drive every day which is why I ended up with the 335i.
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I think drag racing is just one of several ways to experience the car's potential. As most would agree, the 335i does alot of things well... it's only natural to want to push it to its limits, including straight-line performance.

I'm not into dragging myself, but I do appreciate the car's proven ability to cover the 1/4 in short order.
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What mods' are you talking about? I can't think of any mods' that take away the luxury of the car except maybe for catless exhaust which would make it a little louder or smell it up a bit. But if you listen to the Miltek exhaust for example, it sounds like an M3 and not a Chevelle. A tune, intake, meth kit, etc. does not change the driving characteristic's at all, still very smooth just more powerful. With an intake you just hear the turbos a little more, but that's only if you have the window cracked.
I'm talking about the guys who post stuff like "how can I make my car lighter - I already took out the back seats and center console". And then there are the guys with the BOVs, catless exhausts, red air scoops, H&R race springs w/OEM shocks, intakes made out of dryer vent hose (sorry Mr. 5 - just ribbin' ya - you do some really cool stuff), racing slicks, etc.. Stuff like that...

Edit: I forgot to mention the meth - that's just over the top IMHO - I don't want to open my trunk and see a bottle of that stuff sloshing around in there just to get better 1/4 mile times...
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Not really. I would say the E92 M3 is more of a circle track car.
You mean road race car? Not many M3's in NASCAR

I think the 335 is good at a lot of things and most of us like the straight line performance because it's easy to get rewarded with such a fantastic engine!

As someone else mentioned, the N54 doesn't exactly shine on a road course because the oil cooling system is far from even adequate. It's a great DD and is faster than a lot of stuff out there.

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My overall view of my 335 is that it's really just a very nice GT - not really meant for any type of racing - just some wonderful and spirited grand touring. That's how I enjoy my car...
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I know this car in stock trim isn't perfect for a road course either, but neither was my M3. After two laps at 80-90%, the stock brakes were mush.

A couple of your replies seem to get what I was talking about - drag racing is fun and relatively cheap but that seems to be many many owners' sole concern.

Again, to each his own. I'm not trying to make any enemies here, its just a completely different world here.
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I was getting really into drag racing for a while but then it was just getting frustrating with this car. I was only spinning 1 tire in the water box with the open diff. So then I started getting into the road racing.
Now I have the wavetrac so it's much better at the strip.

So, to answer your question...for me, drag racing is a chalenge because I have an MT. IMO, drag racing isn't as much fun with an auto because it just comes down to power. But, with a manual, there are so many variables to wrong or right. What rpm to launch? make sure all of the shifts are fast and precise, not enough gas you bogg, too much you spin.

IMO, once one only goes to the track to beat another person's time instead of thinking about their own times is when it stops getting "fun."
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I know this car in stock trim isn't perfect for a road course either, but neither was my M3. After two laps at 80-90%, the stock brakes were mush.
All you had to do was chage out the pads and you would have ben fine.
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So, to answer your question...for me, drag racing is a chalenge because I have an MT. IMO, drag racing isn't as much fun with an auto because it just comes down to power. But, with a manual, there are so many variables to wrong or right. What rpm to launch? make sure all of the shifts are fast and precise, not enough gas you bogg, too much you spin.

IMO, once one only goes to the track to beat another person's time instead of thinking about their own times is when it stops getting "fun."
That is a point I forgot to bring up, ATs. I used to do a decent amount of bracket racing a few years ago and there was no better feeling that beating someone with an automatic transmission. Bracket racing was my favorite because it seems to have the best of both worlds. Weekend over weekend you can still improve your times but you're still competing against someone and not necessarily their time.

Talking about all this drag racing is getting me a bit nostalgic. Maybe I need to take out the car and practice my shifting lol.

Off original topic, what SSK do you recommend MR 5?
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Off original topic, what SSK do you recommend MR 5?
I honestly don't like SSKs so I can't comment.
They just make our notchy transmission notchier IMO.
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I honestly don't like SSKs so I can't comment.
They just make our notchy transmission notchier IMO.
I actually thought the same thing once I put my BMW SSK on but once I added the UUC RK7 knob it felt exactly like the stock feel but shorter obviously.
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Fair enough. I know I need to remove the CDV, but I just don't like the feeling of this shifter. I'm used to notchy/clunky shifters from the M, but I don't know any locals with a SSK so its hard to decide which one I would/wouldn't like.

The pads were the first thing to go. The stock rotors couldn't adequately dissipate the heat. At minimum, you needed to get a set of the performance package rotors and caliper carriers (to account for the different rotor size).
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The CDV was gone the day after I brought the car home.
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I guess my answer to the original question is... Why get serious about any type of racing with one of these cars?

Just like you can argue why would someone put drag radials and a meth kit on a car, why would you put coil overs with stiff sway bars on that ruin the ride, an alignment that eats tires off it and an LSD so it can actually get off the corner for that extra .5 second around the streets of willow? When you still most likely will get your ass handed to you by a well sorted Evo, Elise/Exige or Cayman S with a decent driver.

Honestly, these cars are too big and fat to be the best car for any type of racing. Along with being too nicely equipped and for most people too expensive to go out and stuff into a tire barrier or rebuild the engine after grabbing second instead of fourth and scattering the bottom end or something else along those lines.

However, that doesn't stop people from going out to the track (all kinds) and enjoying them. Because they don't have to be "the best" as long as you are having fun.

The dragstrip is also a good way to quantify power gains as we all know dynos lie.

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think you could have answered your own question by going to dragtimes.com and realizing a nice/luxurious BMW can do 11.3s at the track

having said that, i'd have to admit a road course is wayyyy more fun
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My overall view of my 335 is that it's really just a very nice GT - not really meant for any type of racing - just some wonderful and spirited grand touring. That's how I enjoy my car...

Have you ever done the 1/4? It is fun! I am also looking at road racing and hope to try it soon. I imagine it get's expensive though. Grand touring on I-10 is cool and all, but you will get in trouble for going over 100mph. Working on improving your times and doing modifications and seeing the results is fun too. I agree though some take it overboard but doing a few mods and keeping it clean doesn't hurt and 1 gallon of water in my trunk doesn't bother me.
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think you could have answered your own question by going to dragtimes.com and realizing a nice/luxurious BMW can do 11.3s at the track

having said that, i'd have to admit a road course is wayyyy more fun

I would like to try a roadcourse, but don't want to change all my oil's and pads and the like to prevent the car from overheating.
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never tried in my 335.. plenty of people seem to be doing it just fine though
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IMO, once one only goes to the track to beat another person's time instead of thinking about their own times is when it stops getting "fun."
I go to the track to hear the people standing on the side say.. "wtf is a bmw doing here."
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I go to the track to hear the people standing on the side say.. "wtf is a bmw doing here."
Yah, that's pretty fun as well.
It was great when I smoked a C6 vette and the guy went up to my car afterwards only to see the baby seat in the back.
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Drag strip is like a dyno. Why do you dyno your car? You want to know if you have been able to mod it to achieve better acceleration. This is more of a car forum rather than driver forum and we want to know the potential of our cars in a more or less comparable way.

Driving Nordscheife is great fun, but because only few of us will get there - with your own car - it cannot be used as a yardstick. Nor any other course. Moreover, drag strip is more about the car whereas road course is more about the driving skill.

Compared to dynoing, the real acceleration (at the strip) is in fact what you are really after, rather than knowing the dyno figures when the car does not even move....
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