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      02-10-2010, 06:40 PM   #1
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Western Union/Money Gram ?

I know its a very bad way for buyer to send money. I only pay and recieve money by Paypal but this guy insists on sending money via Western Union... is he trying to scam me? I have serious doubts about Western Union... just need to hear what other people think as well.

Edit: He insist on sending me money via Western Union. Hes the buyer, I am the seller.
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DO NOT SEND MONEY VIA WESTERN UNION PERIOD, PAYPAL, FACE TO FACE CASH TRANSACTION OR NOTHING. /end thread
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      02-10-2010, 06:44 PM   #3
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he insists on YOU sending money to him via Western Union? if yes, you will be scammed. If he is sending money to you, I don't see how it could hurt.
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He insist on sending me money by Western Union.
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Working in my line of work I have seen even cashiers checks and certified checks forged. The best advice I have is to make the transfer conditional on the deposit clearing. Make him wait the week or so fo the deposit to clear before you hand him the title.
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      02-10-2010, 07:12 PM   #6
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It's tough to tell what the scam is without taking it a bit farther and seeing where the "buyer" is going with this. One guess is that a phony WU receipt appears indicating that you have a wad of cash waiting for you in the hopes that you'll cough up the vehicle & title based on that alone & then it will be too late when you present your worthless claim ticket to WU.

The reason I don't think this is likely is that most scammers aren't even in the US, and they have no intention of ever showing you a face. So I have no idea how they'd intend to take delivery of the vehicle. A more likely scenario is that they send you a phony WU ticket indicating that they "accidentally" overpaid your sell amount by $X. You then gullibly WU them back the difference, and never see or hear from them again, are out $X, and can't even tell anybody, because you'd look like a bleeping idiot

Finally, WU charges a ridiculous fee for transactions - why would somebody willingly pay 5% more than the price just to use WU? It doesn't add up on any level. Let us know what happens!
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He is trying to buy a set of car parts from me and he claims he lives in Macau PRC. I was in H.K. and he told me to meet up with him to deal cash, but now I am back in Vancouver that's impossible. I can't understand why he would not use Paypal... damn.
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I thought WU is pretty fool proof and irreversible. Once the buyer sends you the control number and you collect the cash at your local WU agent, thats pretty much the end of that. That's why scammers like receiving funds via WU.

Of course you should collect the cash first prior to releasing the items.
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      02-10-2010, 07:41 PM   #9
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If you are receiving money from him, I don't see any problem. Just make sure you have cash in hand before you ship anything!

He's either wiring you money, for which you take a control number to western union and pick up cash from a teller. The only other option would be to send you a western union money order. If he does that, take it to a western union and cash it. I would not suggest depositing the money order in the bank. Just in case something happens and it gets reversed somehow.

In any case, don't ship anything until you have cash money in hand, and it should work out just fine.
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ya receiving is fine. once the cash is in your hands then proceed with transaction. on the other side, paypal isn't all that safe either.
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I would not even bother. Have a tracking method of the funds (either face to face or check/paypal). Ensure that the money clears before sending the item.
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      02-10-2010, 08:58 PM   #12
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International sale via Western Union? I don't care if he's sending you the money, it screams of fraud.

If he's using a forgery, Western Union won't know it for a few weeks. And when they do realize it, they'll go after him. But he'll have used fake information. So they will come after you to get their money back. They'll have your real information, so you end up screwed.

From Craigslist:
# FAKE CASHIER CHECKS & MONEY ORDERS ARE COMMON, and BANKS WILL CASH THEM AND THEN HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE when the fake is discovered weeks later.
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Sounds shady, even with him sending the money.
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      02-10-2010, 09:25 PM   #14
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let me ask my sister. She works for Money Gram and I will see.
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wat ever form they send just cashed it first then ship the item....
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      02-10-2010, 09:54 PM   #16
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It is simple - if he sends you a WU money order then it is probably fake. If he sends you cash then it is probably OK.
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      02-10-2010, 09:57 PM   #17
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wat ever form they send just cashed it first then ship the item....
this. Go to the nearest WU location to receive and cash it, and you are golden.
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      02-10-2010, 10:30 PM   #18
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Better yet. Have him wire the money to you via WU and you can go pick up the cash.
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If you are reciveing money you CAN NOT GET SCAMMED. You get a MTCN number and your first and last name and go pick up money from any western union deli's or stores and send them the item than you are good.

DO NOT SEND PEOPLE MONEY OVER WESTERN. THEY CAN TAKE IT AND WONT BE RELIABLE EVEN IF YOU CALL THE COPS. IT SAIDS IN WESTERN UNION DISCLAIMER TO ONLY SEND MONEY TO RELEATIVES AND PEOPLE YOU KNOW. I GOT BURNT ONCE FROM WESTERN SENDING MONEY FOR CRAIGLIST ITEM.

Craiglist and other people send FAKE money orders and cashiers check.
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This is the response from my sister that works for MoneyGram....

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To purchase a moneyorder, one has to use cash at an agent location. Some of our biggest agents are Walmat & CVS. If the person he is dealing with is willing to wait for him to cash the MO and then ship the item, I don't see how it can be fraud.
And this is text she sent me from the MoneyGram website ...

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Are Money Orders a good way to pay for purchases made on the Internet?
Money Orders are a very convenient way to send money through the mail. However, a basic rule to remember with online purchases is that you should use an escrow service that guarantees delivery of product. Whenever you are dealing with someone you do not know personally you should use every precaution to prevent losing your hard earned money. Once you send a money order to someone you do not know there is no guarantee you will receive your product.
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Get the money in your hand and then send the product. The only safe way with WU.
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sorry never used western union before, last question. I need to give the sender the following info ?

NAME : (strictly must same as appear in your Passport)
Address:
City:
Pos Code:
Country:
Contact Number:

He say I will be receiving cash, no cheque.
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