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      03-14-2010, 09:31 AM   #1
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C&D ultimate road test: 997.2 turbo vs ZR1.

HOWA...CARANDDRIVER always exaggerate their numbers but 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds for the pdk equipped turbo>?????

Here's the link.
Caranddriver test zr1 vs 997.2 turbo PDK






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the new 911 turbo is insane!
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So far, nothing is touching the ZR1 on the track. The acceleration on the Turbo is insane though.
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Can't wait to see the McLaren MP4-12C swipe all GT-R, 911 Turbo S, ZR1....
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one comment that boggles me...

the ZR1 was faster around the track, but the Turbo is the better track car...

isnt the point of going around a track how fast you finish a lap?

dont get me wrong, I understand the ZR1 was just winning in the straights and somewhat competitive on the twisties and the Turbo is definitely the better twisty car...but what good are twisties if you cant keep that lead in the straights?

and for 37k less at that, albeit with a cheap interior...

(i would rather own the turbo...but just saying...the comment was a bit confusing to me)
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but wasnt the turbo the fastest car on a straight? if this was the case then this porsche was beaten up by the vette on the twisties as it got he fastest lap time
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one comment that boggles me...

the ZR1 was faster around the track, but the Turbo is the better track car...

isnt the point of going around a track how fast you finish a lap?

dont get me wrong, I understand the ZR1 was just winning in the straights and somewhat competitive on the twisties and the Turbo is definitely the better twisty car...but what good are twisties if you cant keep that lead in the straights?

and for 37k less at that, albeit with a cheap interior...

(i would rather own the turbo...but just saying...the comment was a bit confusing to me)
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turbo was the fastest off the line, but the vette was faster in the long straights (v8 just keeps pumping)
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ah ok, anyways altough id rather have a turbo, the vette shoudve been the winner. as a track car is faster and cheaper both of them are stripped down anyways so nobody buy those cars thinking in the interior
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turbo was the fastest off the line, but the vette was faster in the long straights (v8 just keeps pumping)
Im sure all the #'s posted for the 911 are with the overboost engaged. The 911 turbos have been known to lose power when the throttle is matted for a longer period of time. The car only gets 10 seconds or so in overboost before fuel and timing are pulled to prevent damage. The Vette on the other I'll wager isnt are nearly sensitive to heat soak with its S/C. It will make run after run at near the same power unlike the P-car which needs cool down laps between posting killer #'s.

The bottom line for me is which car they lapped faster on that particular day. The Vette was quicker around the circuit, period. To call the 911 a better track car is a joke.
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Can't wait to see the McLaren MP4-12C swipe all GT-R, 911 Turbo S, ZR1....
The Mclaren would be a killer

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Im sure all the #'s posted for the 911 are with the overboost engaged. The 911 turbos have been known to lose power when the throttle is matted for a longer period of time. The car only gets 10 seconds or so in overboost before fuel and timing are pulled to prevent damage. The Vette on the other I'll wager isnt are nearly sensitive to heat soak with its S/C. It will make run after run at near the same power unlike the P-car which needs cool down laps between posting killer #'s.

The bottom line for me is which car they lapped faster on that particular day. The Vette was quicker around the circuit, period. To call the 911 a better track car is a joke.
Lol, the launch control doesn't come without the sports chrono package. And that package has the overboost function. So you're right.

And I dunno about the heat soaking issue so I will research on that. But I do know that the last engine (3.6TT) was a bullet proof engine.
I can't remember which source but someone did speculate that the new 3.8TT won't be that tough as the old one.


And about that "joke" I think they meant that you have to be a really really really good driver to get the best out of the ZR1. But in a 911 turbo, not that much. The AWD will save you.
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If it didnt have a heat soak issue it wouldnt have a 10 sec limit on overboost. That is the only reason to have an overboost feature in the first place. The Corvette doesnt have one and pumps out over 600bhp for long periods of time. I'll wager that over the course of several laps back to back the Vette would even open up more of a lead and be way ahead.

I was under the impression that high end sports cars(especially when driven at race tracks) should be driven by really, really,really good drivers. My S/C C6 Vette makes over 600 hp and its not a real hard car to drive fast. I havent driven the ZR1 but I'll bet its much better set up than my car to handle the hp/tq it produces.

And to use a word like "horrendous" to describe the Vettes power demonstrates to me the bias afforded the 911. If the P-car had that much hp it would likely be described as "glorious". But thats the way they sell mags. The newer model(especially 911's in this mags case) will often beat last years new phenom regardless what the track numbers say.

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Can't wait to see the McLaren MP4-12C swipe all GT-R, 911 Turbo S, ZR1....
It costs twice as much as a ZR-1, so yeah it had better...
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one comment that boggles me...

the ZR1 was faster around the track, but the Turbo is the better track car...

isnt the point of going around a track how fast you finish a lap?

dont get me wrong, I understand the ZR1 was just winning in the straights and somewhat competitive on the twisties and the Turbo is definitely the better twisty car...but what good are twisties if you cant keep that lead in the straights?

and for 37k less at that, albeit with a cheap interior...

(i would rather own the turbo...but just saying...the comment was a bit confusing to me)

The insight is in the rest of the sentence:
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At Mazda Raceway, the 911 Turbo wasnít as fast as the Vette, but it was much easier to drive hard. For most drivers, the greater tactility of the 911 makes it more enjoyable because you donít need to be on the ragged edge to get gobs of feedback and driver involvement.
And the final part of the article says the 911 is a better "all-around" car than the 'vette.
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In the end, we say the Porsche is the better all-around car, showing the results of 34 years of uninterrupted honing and refinement, whereas the Corvette has finally begun to catch up after some years of neglect.
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the interior of that ZR1 looks like shit... looks like terrible quality...
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The insight is in the rest of the sentence:


And the final part of the article says the 911 is a better "all-around" car than the 'vette.
true

but what about that 37k price difference? lol

lets add 37k of suspension mods and see how it goes
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true

but what about that 37k price difference? lol

lets add 37k of suspension mods and see how it goes
Finally someone with some common sense.
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That always seems to be the argument: This one is way cheaper, performs almost as well, so it must be the winner! Same thing is always said about the Nissan GT-R. For me, it doesn't come down to the price (not that I'm able to afford either car to begin with) but the emotions and prejudices I have when looking at the cars. I like the 911, I don't like the Corvette nor the GT-R. The Dodge Viper ACR is on the "very desired list" for me, so it isn't all about the prestige of the brand name (badge whore.)

The Porsche does it for me. Pinnacle performance, sexy good looks, superior build quality and German heritage. To me, Corvettes starting from the '70s on will always be the "trailer trash car" of the sports car world (C3-C5 really). I know the modern C6's like the Z06 and the ZR1 have incredible performance and are a really good "value", but I just don't respond to them when I see them on the road. But every 911 that drives by, be it a 964, 993, 997 or whatever gets my attention.
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pretty awful writing in that article.

full of bias as well
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I think I'd rather settle for a Z06 and spend the difference on hookers and blow.

Just kidding.
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I think I'd rather settle for a Z06 and spend the difference on hookers and blow.

Just kidding.
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From what I gather, for everyday drivers, it's easier to achieve the times they did around the track for the 997.2 than it is for the ZR-1.

I'm sure if the result was based on strictly performance, and not taking into account subjective observations, the ZR1 would've won.

That said, I'd pony up 20-30 more K for the turbo.
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I'm sorry, but this does not look like the interior of a 120K car:







I appreciate what the ZR-1 is capable of...but I really wish they would've at least spruced up the interior a bit...
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