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      03-31-2010, 06:13 AM   #199
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QUOTE=goblue8;7026685]Is this going to be cheaper than just buying an M3?[/quote]
Yup, this build is most definately cheaper than buying a M3 (even 2nd hand) in Australia. Premium cars are heavily taxed, although admittedly not quite as much as some parts in Asia!

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why? cant you just buy a new M3 for the price your putting into the 335? other than its pretty awesome transition
There are a few good reasons (well at least according to the magical logic in my brain) Firstly, I've always wanted to tinker and modify things, its my way of making it mine! Secondly, its from a economical point of view, it fits my budget and I can get all the parts that I want on the car with the wheels, I like, all the gadgety bits such as the BMW Performance steering wheel, the color wanted and have always loved Lastly, even had I bought a e92 M3 there is no way I could have left it stock, so really the cost is far more expensive! The other thing worth noting is yes, I am a fan of NA cars too (I owned a e46 M3 at one stage) and yes I do like the current M3 but I fell in
with the way the 335i responds and as a tuner, I like the tuning flexibility of a turbo.

I could be crazy, and my wallet definately thinks so but its my one true passion and what makes me smile and that's what's most important when you're building your own pride and joy!

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dude sick car. hektik mods. but i gotta say I really hate grey. truly. deeply. and BBS rims. 2 things I will never get/put on my car are those.

If it was me I woulda gone ferrari white or ferrari black.
those are awesome colours and would make this car shine
LOL the two hardest colors to keep clean! I guess the semi meshish style rim is not to everyone's taste, but thanks regardless!

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incredible conversion, but why not save the time and money and buy a M3 from the start?
Thanks! But dont they say "Good things come to those who wait" ?
The M3 is a great car but would not meet my requirements (see above)

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I don't like the paint color. It works on a Ferrari sure, but on a BMW not so much.
Awwww.........but but but.......its quite the similar color on the AMG, RS4 etc etc!
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Hey man, I'm going to do the rear fenders too! What were some of the requirements that you need for widening the rear fenders? Was it a specific "offset" you were aiming for? Or you told him to just widen it more than the front?
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I say if you got the resources, do a 335 --> M3 conversion, its a good experience to feed the mod bug

Second, how in The Hell can you do all that and not plan on having your Halo rings done by OSS Design? I mean COME ON MAN, DO IT!! DOOO ITT!!

If you already got everything else apart, getting those headlights done should be a snap. Although since he is in Florida and you are in Australia, the shipping might be a bit prohibitive, but hey, if you are going to go, go balls out I say.
Hahahaha definately feeding the bug until its full and unable to move!
Yeah I saw the OSS design halos and damn they are cool but......too far away!


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This is a really a most extensive re-build. Going by your photos, the workmanship that went into the project is outstanding. Congratulations on the result and on the very interesting thread.
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Maybe because he wants a twin turbo I6 rather than a gas guzzling V8?....Maybe taking a hit on selling the 335 only to spend a ton on a new M3 costs a lot more than this transition since he lives in Australia and not the U.S.?....Maybe he has a personal attachment to this vehicle like I do with mine?

I for one would definitely do this conversion if the costs weren't outrageous. Saferisk, could you post some numbers up for us? I'm guessing the parts plus labor costs would be similar to ours.

Love the car. The quality of work looks really good. Wouldn't have chosen that color, but thats subjective. Great job.
all of the above! I'll get the numbers up when its done so I can be more accurate!
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I would have done a widebody on top of the m3 kit though
LOL, Maybe as stage 2

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Awesome build! You could always look at it like this...you're ahead of the game...BMW's next M3 will have a in-line 6 with twin-turbos and so do you.

Love it! Post more pics please.
AWESOME COMMENT! really made me smile!

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did some of you guys even bother reading the first post? the OP said that this project is still cheaper than 2/3 the price of a new M3 in Australia.

OP, everything looks good! I can't wait to see the LCI taillights be retrofitted. Please share tips on the process, as I'm sure many of us are looking to do the same.

Also, please take pics of the new speaker covers. I also have a beige interior with black trim and want to see how black speaker covers would look. Part numbers and tips on installation would be great too thanks!

Good luck with the rest of the project!
No problems at all! Just wait till I get around to the interior, that's the last phase of this build!

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This thread gives me new ideas!
That makes me happy and its what others have done for me on this forum! Good luck!

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I agree about the halos.... Awesome build, looking forward to updates.
On their way!

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Go Hedges! Go!...

OP... Gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous...


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sooo legit. its forshadowing our futureeeee. deep i kno.
Tooooo deep! Thanks, I think?

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wow, don't know how I missed this thread.. sick car, more info on your rear fenders plz, are they custom and how much?
See previous post

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lol Already sending out quotations to get started!
That was quick~

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WOW! Thats sick!!! I love the color and I'm not a fan of gray. I opted out of the M3 this gen but seeing your build...is giving me too many ideas!
You should see the color in person! Lets keep the ideas rolling!

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Definitely feeling the car! Totally understand how passionate you are about this. Can't wait for the final pics. Looks sexy!
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People actually reading the thread before the post. Come on, this is e90post.


OP, car looks great. Congrats on a great project.
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wow! subscribed for final result! pics of mentioned custom instrument cluster?
There will be pics on the way! The cluster isn't really as hard or scary as one might think, a good circuit electrician and the right smd leds and you're good to go!

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that is one insane project. I am inspired by your willingness to go all-in on this project and not just half-ass it. And now you're getting all these parts that we havn't seen in the flesh yet! So cool
Insane is definately right! When I was putting the planning and ordering together, it was like I was in a trance and only really snapped back to reality when I saw my creditcard bill!
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great project really love what your doing. i would never put my car through this much. i dont have the guts
You'd be surprised! Its always scary when in the middle of a build! But sometime its worth biting the bullet and ploughing onwards!
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Good work lots of credit for actually doing this to what I see as a perfect car.....but Honestly, I dont know what everybody is all "goo-goo" for regarding the bodywork??? Its not that extensive, and the only thing custom I can see is rear flares.

Hi Zesus, a perfect car in my mind means that it is a even better base to start off with You're right when you say that I haven't really "customised" anything at all, its more like putting a puzzle together

Really though...everybody in the VW/Euro scene in NJ/NY does the rear stretched and pulled fenders/or wider fenders..Ive even seen this done (and way more extensive color changes done) 1000's of times in the import scene....Hell I've even seen extensively modded custom wide body E46's out here. It just seems folks are easily impressed on here. I mean its cool and the quality looks great but really all you've done to the car is diminish its value.

I'd agree with you in that yes there are many many levels of modifications with very different aims in mind: speed, sound, show, street and I speak from experience as I've also been a part of the import scene both with Jap cars and Audis as well. There is good reason for not going wild with this car, firstly its a very recent BMW and I find the body of the e92 M3 beautiful. I didn't want something that was so show that it'd be attracting police everywhere.

I guess perhaps its not that everyone is going "goo-goo" but rather getting behind one of its community members and being supportive whilst sharing in the happiness and excitment that we get both from owning BMWs and modifying them. I get just as excited when someone posts a good DIY!
About the diminishing value, yes very very valid point but its a labor of love and I will have this car for quite a while to come


Now as for saying that you are having all this done for less than 2/3rds the cost of an e92 M3, no way in hell. Unless you have the hookup at the body shop or something, and the M3's out there are more than 70k i can not see this as being true...$54850-67k is what MSRP suggests in the US...Thats for 2010-11. I mean my 07 6mt 335i cpe loaded with every option, new in 07, was priced somewhere between 45-50k (not sure...purchased used, I could be wrong) If you could, post prices of all the work.....knowing body work prices here, and the work involved, I can not see this being possible for Less than an M. I love modding just live everybody else, I love the excitement of a build. But lets be real here gents...this seems pointless. Your car had to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-35k used (USD) and the bodywork and everyhing else must be in the 10-15k range right? Or maybe more....how is that 2/3 less? And Im not even counting the go-fast goodies...

Why not opt for an 08 or 09 M3 out there? Is the price really that much more in AU? I really am against the M3 conversion....and i know the V-8 and M in general is way more reliable then our twin turbo'd six's.....Maybe its the fenders that really bother me....idk...I just think it is way tacky to fake an M....but thats my opinion. I dont know who could justify doing this to emulate a car you could prob have for a couple grand more with full warranty...

In the US, I truely agree with you and you point is very valid, but the same point does not hold true in Australia, as for the work being done to the car, its a collaborattive effort between three workshops, launching under the one banner, a good deal was struck for all the work. Pricing will be posted when the car is completed.

I love my 335i, but I wanted, and still want, an e92 M3....My money was not right at the time (lost investments, baught house...etc, etc) and I got raped on lease return damage and expenses with my previous car...So in short I got a used 335i instead of an 08-09 M3. I did not choose this car bc of the fuel consumption or bc of the tunability of the TT's.....in fact I am finding out by more visits to the dealership and reading more on here, 335 reliability is shit and I am very concerned for the long term. I chose this car bc it looked good, handled well, had all the options I wanted, I got a good deal on it...and was one of the best looking coupes on the market. But I will state this---> All current e9x 335i OWNERS SECRETLY WANT M3's and would trash/trade/sell thier project 335's (and maybe thier soles! lol) without hesitation... if they could get one... lol

Not hating..the car is beautiful....just my 2 cents.
No offence taken , you raise thought out and intelligent points but I wouldn't give up my car to go to a stock standard M3, honestly as the only parts I truely love about the M3 is the body.....although if I had enough money, a e92 M3 with Amuse Kit, supercharged and 20" daily rims in individual color and interior would be sooooo hard to say no to, but then there are so many other cars in that price range.....

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shit ride saferisk. :P LOL. just jk, u know who I am.
You US folks get yours cars a lot cheaper than here in OZ.
LOL, it's almost as shit as yours will be when its finished! Guys, watch out for icandy, its another beast in the making!

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He's in Australia, the car prices there are way higher than the US. And in Singapore, a 335i could buy you 2 M3s in the US.


Can't wait to see the completion of this conversion!
Thanks bro!
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I am really interested to see how much more expensive our cars are there....I may have to remove my foot from my mouth! lol
LOL we all do it at one stage or another, no worries!
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No effin way!!!!??? really? Damn do you need a BMW that bad? Jesus If I were in AU I would just get the equivalent of the GTO or some cheap badass car we cant get here in the US! Man.... status symbols in Singapore must be more important to you guys then us filthy Americans! lol

Learned something new...
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Its the import tax. Its the same in Taiwan. I visited a BMW Dealership there and i saw the price of a 335i coupe to be 3,000,000NT (New Taiwan Dollars). 1USD = roughly 32NT so that equals about $93,750. I don't know if thats base MSRP or not but still daymn.
unfortunately still cheaper than AU
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No too much longer now!
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that is amazing! are those rear fender flares custom? i searched for such and found none.
Prefabricated and then custom moulded! Cheers!

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+1

To the OP: I was wondering why you didn't go with a M3, until you mentioned you're from AU. It's totally clear now.

Great project! It's rare to see a car enthuaist who is willing to go through all this trouble to make something unique and fun to drive.

The other thing is, you already have a Turbo to play with. You don't need to spend another 15,000USD or more to get a Turbo into M3's NA Engine to go lot faster.
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a 335i coupe in Thailand is $180k. m3 is $220k. we get taxed on engine size. for a damn 320i peice of shit in thailand which is $85k btw, you could buy a brand new m3 here and mod the hell out of it. in some cases it is status but I must admit, a lot of people in thailand just love cars, they do not flaunt it, they buy cause they like it and luckily for them, some can afford to pay $220k for an m3, $400k for an m5 and and $650k for an f430. it is not uncommon for the some to have 2mill worth of cars in their garage, I know it is the exact same way in singapore.

Though I do not like the conversion either, for the money, this guy is doing something awesome, not only is he getting a faster car, he is doing something unique and at the same time, saving money while having a fully custom car for less than a stock m3. that is just wicked man
prices in thailand Dude, you're making me blush but thanks for the awesome comment!
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+1000.

To all those asking about why not just buy an M3 please read OPs 1st post. He is from Australia where an E92 M3 would cost about $180k on the road without options. Whereas an E92 335 is about $110k.

Sorry to digress. Great post by the way. Loving how its tastefully done.
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Hey man, I'm going to do the rear fenders too! What were some of the requirements that you need for widening the rear fenders? Was it a specific "offset" you were aiming for? Or you told him to just widen it more than the front?
It was predetermined width as the fenders are prefabricated but there is some custom adjustments required for the wheels and tires as I went for 285/35 rears
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It was predetermined width as the fenders are prefabricated but there is some custom adjustments required for the wheels and tires as I went for 285/35 rears
How did you come to this predeterminination size? Was it solely based off wheels + tires? I'm about to do the same thing and would love to get some more ideas in how i should approach this!
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How did you come to this predeterminination size? Was it solely based off wheels + tires? I'm about to do the same thing and would love to get some more ideas in how i should approach this!
It was part of the kit I had fabricated for me from overseas but from my point of view if I had to do this again I would get the fabicated purely from metal and fit the widest rims possible without looking ridiculous!

From my point of view, you dont want a pear shaped car and nor a car that looks like its gone crazy on steroids, it should also be balanced with what you do with the front fenders and what you want to achieve with the car.

Happy to discuss in more detail offline, pm with your email
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this is a crazy project and is coming along nicely :-)
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Seems pretty cool but my observations are:

1) you're not really tinkering with anything. afaik, you're having a shop do this correct? just making a point.

2) something is off about that paint. hopefully they wetsand the entire car and finish it up.

3) god forbid anything happens to your car, there goes all your money. you would be better off getting a real M3.

good luck though i'm sure you'll be happy!
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For all of you that INSIST on posting comments like "just get an M3".. you really just don't get it at all do you?

SAFERISK IS NOT MAKING AN M3.. Its a modded 335i with, for all intents and purposes an M3 body kit.

NA V8 Vs TT I6, they are totally different beasts.. I have been in the "turbo" scene for some time now, and would ALWAYS choose a good T4/6 over an NA V8 (TT V8 would be a different story )

So to all of you out there that insist on suggesting the purchase of an M3, read the OP, and commend the owner for an incredible build..

On a personal note.. Saferisk, where abouts in Melbourne are you based? I float between Sydney & Melbourne regularly (live in Perth) would genuinely love to have a chat with you offline and discuss your experiences
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Very cool, keep the updates coming!

(and you dont have to respond to all the people who didn't read the thread and simply reply "just buy an M3 )
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As for the pricing, just a note:

I Noway cars get taxed for weight, horepower, emissions, and lots more...

Base 335i = $145k
Base E92 M3 = $250k (base in norway means BASE. all the things you think is standard; its not)
Loaded E92 M3 = $280k

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As for the pricing, just a note:

I Noway cars get taxed for weight, horepower, emissions, and lots more...

Base 335i = $145k
Base E92 M3 = $250k (base in norway means BASE. all the things you think is standard; its not)
Loaded E92 M3 = $280k

I'm seeing all of these numbers thrown around. When people quote these prices, are they quoting in USD? Is salary and cost of living comparable? If so, then I am one lucky SOB to live in Canada, even though we pay 30% more than the US for out cars. It seems the rest of the world pays 3 times as much.

I mean christ $250k for an m3? I can buy a loaded R8 5.2 for that here and still have enough money left over for a brand new 335.
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Ferrari colour? You are respraying it back into gray? come on, why? I was looking forward to some nice red paint! But it looks very good, i think that upgraded 335 has its own appeal and probably for everyday is a better car anyway. I like the conversion, the only problem i see with this is that once you are done, you realise that you now have a stock looking bmw albeit M3... so question is how's your mod bug gonna handle it?
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I'm seeing all of these numbers thrown around. When people quote these prices, are they quoting in USD? Is salary and cost of living comparable? If so, then I am one lucky SOB to live in Canada, even though we pay 30% more than the US for out cars. It seems the rest of the world pays 3 times as much.

I mean christ $250k for an m3? I can buy a loaded R8 5.2 for that here and still have enough money left over for a brand new 335.
salaries are high in nordic contries but taxes are just as high, 50% is quite common i would say across the board and for those who make more it may be worse. Not too familiar with Norway but Sweden is bad and Finland not so much. Denmark is bad as well. But if you use the public transport in Denmark for example you'll see where the money went. If in US based on this board anyway, every man and his dog seems to drive 335 or M3, back home these things are very rare to see. Also chances are they'd be debadged. In Switzerland I've seen a ton of audi RS6 and BMW M5s Tourings without badges. Sleeper done proper.
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Man, a lot of haters here. Why did you pick that color, why not buy the M3 (read the thread!), you should've done this...

Saferisk, this car looks taste modded. Not over the top, ricey but leaning towards OEM class look, sporty and tasteful, keeping the lines that make the E92 beautiful and enhancing them subtly. I get your desire of modifying your choice of car and customizing how you like it instead of a stock M3. It might not be my preference but I appreciate the effort and the looks of the result. About the grey color, I was excited when you said Ferrari color as I wanted to see an E92 in Ferrari red but in the end, you like Grey tone and the difference between this one and Space Grey is significant, I like it a lot more.

Good luck and looking forward to the end result!
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bro install the JB3 or change the engine for a m5 ( if fit ) or the new 4.4 twin turbo from a x5m/x6m.
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      03-31-2010, 02:40 PM   #218
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Big to your brotha! I don't think I can ever take on a project like this but I'm sure it will be all worth it in the end.
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I guess if you can't wait for the next gen M3, make one. TT-6 M. You are gonna have more pride knowing that you built this, than anyone thats bought a car off the show room floor will. Awesome job.
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      03-31-2010, 03:24 PM   #220
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Sounds like its gona be a 1 of a kind. Enjoy!!!
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