brian's 135i dyno tested tonight, Procede vs JB3 2.0 battle. - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:36 AM

hi everyone, i am new to these forums but some may know me from N54tech.com. I have built brians car with all of his previous mods that made him go 11.3 @ 125 with nitrous on a modded JB3 18ohm and 3.3 k resistor board.

about a month ago brian had me return the car to stock and has been running just the JB3 2.0 with the standard resistors still 18 ohm board. while having fun with just tune only we decided to head up to the track to see what kind of times we can achieve with just jb3 and race gas. well we kept getting weird CELs and shiv was actually there and helped us out a lot with our problems and was willing to let us borrow a procede V4 for testing. we did have some problems at 1st because we were new to all these new features and much more sophisticated system than the JB3. i started to question some of terrys methods and me and brian decided to put the jb3 to the test with the procede on the dyno.

here are the numbers.

procede is the red line juice box was the black line. HOLY TQ BATMAN!!!

now the thing that had us worried. the JB3's super lean AFR. 3 times on the dyno it gave us a lean AFR

now im not biased here, i OWN a civic. i just work on BMW's alot i like how the procede was able to offer the same peak power but in a much safer manner.

i cannot post this on N54tech either because terry has blocked all my post after correcting him on some misleading post about the procede. so now you know! enjoy

SD135i · 04-01-2010, 12:40 AM

pfft

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:40 AM

i should also add the car now has a riss racing exhaust and a BMS drop in filter. all runs were done with MS109

nood1es · 04-01-2010, 12:40 AM

interesting.

klipseracer · 04-01-2010, 12:41 AM

This will get washed up as fake and they'll say shiv paid you. JB guys never want to hear any criticism. Where is this talk about misfiring with the procede?

TMR · 04-01-2010, 12:42 AM

When i dynoed my car with JB3 about a year ago the dyno operator mentioned how lean the AFR's looked. When i went back the other day with the rev2 he mentioned how much better it was. He even overlapped the 2 and it was night and day. But now that we see the power diff, how does the rev2 drive compared to the JB3?

klipseracer · 04-01-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TMR

When i dynoed my car with JB3 about a year ago the dyno operator mentioned how lean the AFR's looked. When i went back the other day with the rev2 he mentioned how much better it was. He even overlapped the 2 and it was night and day. But now that we see the power diff, how does the rev2 drive compared to the JB3?

ON NOES! What about the claims about the procede misfiring and the insinuation the JB has no problems? I'm only pointing this out because every time there is something about the procede the JB guys jump on it and start making signs and sigs.

AltecBX · 04-01-2010, 12:46 AM

Curious on what where the settings on both tunes?

SD135i · 04-01-2010, 12:47 AM

It's not that we don't like the critisism... but this is the most convoluted bs story I've ever heard lol.

Terry almost never bans anyone. Laloosh is the biggest ahole over there and Terry lets him stay... God knows why.

If you knew Terry you'd know he has no problem discussing things like this and therefore I question your motives and results.

Again: pfft

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:47 AM

yea ill let brian come on here and let you guys know how it drives compared to the jb3. but so far hes lovin the procede!

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

Curious on what where the settings on both tunes?

procede was on map 2 with its new firmware. JB3 2.0 was on its lastest firmware too. on map 8

SfValley335i · 04-01-2010, 12:48 AM

I posted it on N54tech, lets see what Terry has to say about it.

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD135i

It's not that we don't like the critisism... but this is the most convoluted bs story I've ever heard lol.

Terry almost never bans anyone. Laloosh is the biggest ahole over there and Terry lets him stay... God knows why.

If you knew Terry you'd know he has no problem discussing things like this and therefore I question your motives and results.

Again: pfft

ive met terry. i supported his stuff before. i can show you what i posted for him to erase and lie and ban me.

SD135i · 04-01-2010, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k20z3allmotor

ive met terry. i supported his stuff before. i can show you what i posted for him to erase and lie and ban me.

Things sound like you guys didn't see eye to eye and you're here trying to get back at him or something?

Hardly inspires confidence in your results.

Terrance28 · 04-01-2010, 12:55 AM

Obviously there is something wrong with that jb3, you even said it was giving off weird cels. So how can you compare a non working tune to a working tune lol. I have a few a/f readout of pulls on nitrous running a .032 jet with just 93+meth and my a/f looked so good, my dyno guy said I could get away easily with a bigger shot. I call BS on this big time.

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD135i

Things sound like you guys didn't see eye to eye and you're here trying to get back at him or something?

Hardly inspires confidence in your results.

well in the end im not the one that dyno'd the car. brian did, i was there. i am his mechanic and i installed both tunes. he paid to get his car dyno'd. with both tunes. i can see brian's thread already got deleted on N54tech. wow... classic terry

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrance28

Obviously there is something wrong with that jb3, you even said it was giving off weird cels. So how can you compare a non working tune to a working tune lol. I have a few a/f readout of pulls on nitrous running a .032 jet with just 93+meth and my a/f looked so good, my dyno guy said I could get away easily with a bigger shot.

terry gave him new settings to avoid the CEL's he was having at the track. it was updated with the newest firmware. NO CEL's on the dyno with the JB3

SD135i · 04-01-2010, 01:01 AM

I still see the thread and Terry hit the nail on the head.

This thread should die a quick death.

jpsimon · 04-01-2010, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD135i

I still see the thread and Terry hit the nail on the head.

This thread should die a quick death.

and why's that

yandy · 04-01-2010, 01:01 AM

lmao! it never ends... People hating on each other for a tune.. I don't care about your post.. I really don't think there's any way a tune can run that lean.. specially on such a high map with fuel settings at max.

The thing that's really messed up is people actually hating on others from what tune one or the other uses.. from some comments above.. lmao! WTF makes you better because you use one tune over the other.. I love the interwebs.

k20z3allmotor · 04-01-2010, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

Not a lot of data to go on it, but clearly based on other posts the tester has an agenda. Either he's pulling the sniffer out of the tailpipe during testing, or has messed up the hardware. Even the stock tune runs richer than that @ high rpm. Looks like some midrange boost control problems with the V4 dyno as well but without knowing the intention of the mapping hard to say for sure.

WTF? how are we pulling off the sniffer? we do not operate the dyno.

onesuperboi · 04-01-2010, 01:03 AM

You should post at the other forum. I can't seem to mention it here. Shiv and Terry are both there.

I read your stuff on n54tech. Too bad you got banned...

04-01-2010, 12:36 AM	#1
k20z3allmotor Enlisted Member Drives: civic si Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ventura Posts: 34 iTrader: (0)	brian's 135i dyno tested tonight, Procede vs JB3 2.0 battle. hi everyone, i am new to these forums but some may know me from N54tech.com. I have built brians car with all of his previous mods that made him go 11.3 @ 125 with nitrous on a modded JB3 18ohm and 3.3 k resistor board. about a month ago brian had me return the car to stock and has been running just the JB3 2.0 with the standard resistors still 18 ohm board. while having fun with just tune only we decided to head up to the track to see what kind of times we can achieve with just jb3 and race gas. well we kept getting weird CELs and shiv was actually there and helped us out a lot with our problems and was willing to let us borrow a procede V4 for testing. we did have some problems at 1st because we were new to all these new features and much more sophisticated system than the JB3. i started to question some of terrys methods and me and brian decided to put the jb3 to the test with the procede on the dyno. here are the numbers. procede is the red line juice box was the black line. HOLY TQ BATMAN!!! now the thing that had us worried. the JB3's super lean AFR. 3 times on the dyno it gave us a lean AFR now im not biased here, i OWN a civic. i just work on BMW's alot i like how the procede was able to offer the same peak power but in a much safer manner. i cannot post this on N54tech either because terry has blocked all my post after correcting him on some misleading post about the procede. so now you know! enjoy Last edited by k20z3allmotor; 04-01-2010 at 12:43 AM. Reason: spelling
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04-01-2010, 12:40 AM	#2
SD135i aka Trevorsd Drives: 2009 135i AT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 244 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [0.00]	pfft __________________ JB3 2.0 Beta 18 ohm\| BMS DCI \| BT Tool \| BMS Tuning Guage \| BMS o2 Fix \| BMS Stage 3 Chip Burner AR Design CL DPs \|Helix FMIC \| KDW2s \| H&R Sport Springs \| 3M 35% Tint Coolingmist CMGS Progressive/Fail Safe Meth Kit w/Flow Sensor

04-01-2010, 12:41 AM	#5
klipseracer Colonel Drives: 2007 E90 335i, 05 E46 330i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,928 iTrader: (27) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00] 2005 330i [0.00]	This will get washed up as fake and they'll say shiv paid you. JB guys never want to hear any criticism. Where is this talk about misfiring with the procede? __________________ Join the Facebook group for N54/5/2 owners and enthusiasts! http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112468002137607 Procede Rev II \| STETT CAI \| AMS FMIC \| Snow Stage 2 \| 3" DP/MP \| BSH OCC \| Performance Steering Wheel \| Amuse Rep Trunk \| CF Hood \| MORR VS7 \| H&R Street Performance Coilovers \| Rixt3r Vent Gauge

04-01-2010, 12:42 AM	#6
TMR Colonel Drives: M3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Torrance Posts: 2,542 iTrader: (11)	When i dynoed my car with JB3 about a year ago the dyno operator mentioned how lean the AFR's looked. When i went back the other day with the rev2 he mentioned how much better it was. He even overlapped the 2 and it was night and day. But now that we see the power diff, how does the rev2 drive compared to the JB3? __________________ 2011 E92 M3 : Angel Eye Brights, Black Grills, VRS decklid, H&R Springs, Magnaflow Exhaust, Proceed V5 with Vishnu Meth www.tmrmzine.com/m3 SOLD E92 335i Stage 3+ with all the toys www.tmrmzine.com/335/ SOLD E39 M5 Modded, What a great car! www.tmrmzine.com/m5/

04-01-2010, 12:46 AM	#8
AltecBX Colonel Drives: BMW 335xi Sedan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,635 iTrader: (0)	Curious on what where the settings on both tunes? __________________ 335xi Sedan 6AT \| Weather(50-65°F) \| N54 Tune Comparison Chart \|\| N54 Turbo Upgrade Comparison Chart -PROcede Rev. 2.5 ~ v5 (3/17 maps) / JB4 (8/21 maps) / COBB (Stg2+FMIC LT Aggressive maps) †Procede Map2(UT 45 - IGN 40) Aggression Target 2.0 \| 0-60 in 4.0sec \|\| †Cobb E30 LT (35% Ethanol/65% 93 Octane) \| 0-60 in 3.9sec AR Design Catless DP \| BMS DCI + OCC \| ETS 5 FMIC \| Alpina B3 Trans Flash \|235/265 19" Michelin PSS

04-01-2010, 12:40 AM	#4
nood1es Captain Drives: E70 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 669 iTrader: (10)	interesting.

04-01-2010, 12:47 AM	#9
SD135i aka Trevorsd Drives: 2009 135i AT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 244 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [0.00]	It's not that we don't like the critisism... but this is the most convoluted bs story I've ever heard lol. Terry almost never bans anyone. Laloosh is the biggest ahole over there and Terry lets him stay... God knows why. If you knew Terry you'd know he has no problem discussing things like this and therefore I question your motives and results. Again: pfft __________________ JB3 2.0 Beta 18 ohm\| BMS DCI \| BT Tool \| BMS Tuning Guage \| BMS o2 Fix \| BMS Stage 3 Chip Burner AR Design CL DPs \|Helix FMIC \| KDW2s \| H&R Sport Springs \| 3M 35% Tint Coolingmist CMGS Progressive/Fail Safe Meth Kit w/Flow Sensor

04-01-2010, 12:48 AM	#12
SfValley335i Colonel Drives: Current:135i Sold:335i sedan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: City of Angels Posts: 2,003 iTrader: (7)	I posted it on N54tech, lets see what Terry has to say about it. __________________ Made 417whp/403wtq in 2008 no meth/nos

04-01-2010, 12:55 AM	#15
Terrance28 Brigadier General Drives: Crimson Red E92 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 3,335 iTrader: (17)	Obviously there is something wrong with that jb3, you even said it was giving off weird cels. So how can you compare a non working tune to a working tune lol. I have a few a/f readout of pulls on nitrous running a .032 jet with just 93+meth and my a/f looked so good, my dyno guy said I could get away easily with a bigger shot. I call BS on this big time. __________________ Mods list got too long, lets just say more than enough. Last edited by Terrance28; 04-01-2010 at 01:06 AM.

04-01-2010, 01:01 AM	#18
SD135i aka Trevorsd Drives: 2009 135i AT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 244 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [0.00]	I still see the thread and Terry hit the nail on the head. This thread should die a quick death. __________________ JB3 2.0 Beta 18 ohm\| BMS DCI \| BT Tool \| BMS Tuning Guage \| BMS o2 Fix \| BMS Stage 3 Chip Burner AR Design CL DPs \|Helix FMIC \| KDW2s \| H&R Sport Springs \| 3M 35% Tint Coolingmist CMGS Progressive/Fail Safe Meth Kit w/Flow Sensor

04-01-2010, 01:01 AM	#20
yandy Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2009 e92 MR "Civic" ///M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,682 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2009 BMW M3 [0.00]	lmao! it never ends... People hating on each other for a tune.. I don't care about your post.. I really don't think there's any way a tune can run that lean.. specially on such a high map with fuel settings at max. The thing that's really messed up is people actually hating on others from what tune one or the other uses.. from some comments above.. lmao! WTF makes you better because you use one tune over the other.. I love the interwebs. __________________ \|\| 2009 e92 M3 \|\| Melbourne Red \|\| DCT \|\| CF Roof \|\| My Youtube Channel \|\|

04-01-2010, 01:03 AM	#22
onesuperboi Major Drives: '08 e92 335i COBB 4.01 Stage 1 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA (Alameda) Posts: 1,091 iTrader: (6)	You should post at the other forum. I can't seem to mention it here. Shiv and Terry are both there. I read your stuff on n54tech. Too bad you got banned...

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