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      11-19-2006, 04:15 AM   #1
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After all the issues.. wait for 2nd year 335i?

I really plan on buying E93 335i hardtop cabrio. I do plan on modding it slightly as usual.
I also count on Vishnu or any aftermarket ECU tuning for that little extra kick.

Whats really holdig my back right now, is the over-heating issues. I know its not happening to everyone, but considering all the reports made by E90POST members here, I will have to say, 335i does have issues. Whether its only for the "few" or not, I don't want to take any chances here. If I decide to go for E93, she'll stay with me for at least couple of years. I need her to be reliable, even with slight tuning.

After reading all the 335i trouble threads, car seems nearly fragile. I can only imagine people reporting even more problems when engine tuning begins.

If the main problem with the 335i was something like faulty o2 sensor or something, it would've been easier.. but over heating in general is definitely not a good sign for a turbo car.

Do you think it is a wise choice to just wait for 2nd year production 335i or just get the car, enjoy, and wait for possible recall later?
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Do you think it is a wise choice to just wait for 2nd year production 335i or just get the car, enjoy, and wait for possible recall later?
YES, I would wait as well. You probably will get a better deal on one as well.
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If you plan on getting a cabrio model, you're already getting a second year car anyway (as far as drivetrain goes) so why fret? There really is no "wise" decision, just make up your mind to wait or buy. Simple really, right? I chose now and am not going to worry about what a bunch of people on the internet think or over hype plus i'm not going to drive this car like a moron.
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You can keep waiting if it makes you sleep better at night, but I'm just going to enjoy the hell out of the car and if it blows up, oh well, I'm covered.
Thats because you people keep it stock. When it comes down to forced induction, you have to mod it for extra juice. At least in my book that is. E93 is 400pds heavier than the regular 335i sedan/coupe anyway, you could use few more whp/wtq.

If I do mod, my warranty won't be valid. If any overheating issue comes up and my engine blows, there goes my car.
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Thats because you people keep it stock. When it comes down to forced induction, you have to mod it for extra juice. At least in my book that is. E93 is 400pds heavier than the regular 335i sedan/coupe anyway, you could use few more whp/wtq.

If I do mod, my warranty won't be valid. If any overheating issue comes up and my engine blows, there goes my car.
Definitely wait then.
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Or just run the Xede and if the engine overheats and blows... take it out and have it towed to the dealer... nobody would be the wiser
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i thought that the "overheating issue" was fake. Is there and issue or not?
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I'm also in the same boat as you are. I really want the 335i sedan, but there is a part of me that says to wait for a 2nd year production at least.
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i thought that the "overheating issue" was fake. Is there and issue or not?
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The only overheating issue that stands out was from the Audi forums. And another was from a guy (on this forum) that, IIRC, got an overheating issue because the factory left it in Transport/Transit Mode.

Other than those I don't think there were any other issues. Vishnu's current posts confirm that the ECU update reduced power slightly but nothing too noticeable, though I don't think this qualifies as a first-year model issue to be worried about.
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The only overheating issue that stands out was from the Audi forums. And another was from a guy (on this forum) that, IIRC, got an overheating issue because the factory left it in Transport/Transit Mode.
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i thought that the "overheating issue" was fake. Is there and issue or not?
It all started in Audi Forum and people thought they were BSing to put down BMW 335i's reputation. We(e90post) concluded that its nothing to worry about, just a scam.

It became a reality when several e90post 335i owners reported overheating issues. Some even went to the dealership and found out that its a faulty sensor or something. I remember seeing more than one thread from different 335i owners in e90post, thats why Im worried about this. Correct me if im wrong, but one of the member blew their 335i engine already or something, and bmw is taking care of him in a good manner.
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It became a reality when several e90post 335i owners reported overheating issues.
How many 335s are in service now? Thousands? And it becomes a reality when 2-3 people on an internet message board complain about their temperature gauge being higher than they think it should be?

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OK, so if a 335 has a faulty sensor or something that reads a higher temperature than it should, does that mean there is an overheating problem? Or something wrong with the sensor or something?

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I remember seeing more than one thread from different 335i owners in e90post, thats why Im worried about this.
> 1 thread on an internet message board = faulty design by BMW. Riiiiggghht.

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Correct me if im wrong, but one of the member blew their 335i engine already or something, and bmw is taking care of him in a good manner.
Actually I think Mr. Silver's engine has blown several times. All due to overheating.
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It all started in Audi Forum and people thought they were BSing to put down BMW 335i's reputation. We(e90post) concluded that its nothing to worry about, just a scam.

It became a reality when several e90post 335i owners reported overheating issues. Some even went to the dealership and found out that its a faulty sensor or something. I remember seeing more than one thread from different 335i owners in e90post, thats why Im worried about this. Correct me if im wrong, but one of the member blew their 335i engine already or something, and bmw is taking care of him in a good manner.
Ok I just remembered there was also the guy from Bimmerfest, his engine did overheat and BMW took care of him (don't recall the verdict but they took care of it).

But these are all just spread out incidents, not everyone has these probs. If you can hold out for year 2 production then do it. You'd get all the bug fixes and maybe an extra chrome trim piece will be added to the volume knob hehe j/k
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When the e60 M5 came out, there were immediate reports of an oil line failure. The lines were redesigned and backordered. Now everyone is complaining of the SMG's failing. Can you just imagine buying a $90K and that stuff happening. Hell, the e39 M5 has vanos issues. That doesn't surface for 50K+ miles. I'm sure there's more to come with the e90. BMW quality control seems a bit lacking as they are trying to push things the boundries and are too quick to market.
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When the e60 M5 came out, there were immediate reports of an oil line failure. The lines were redesigned and backordered. Now everyone is complaining of the SMG's failing. Can you just imagine buying a $90K and that stuff happening. Hell, the e39 M5 has vanos issues. That doesn't surface for 50K+ miles. I'm sure there's more to come with the e90. BMW quality control seems a bit lacking as they are trying to push things the boundries and are too quick to market.
They have fixed all that stuff under warrenty... even the e39 m5 issue with the vanos got an extended warrenty for those affected(I knew a guy that had one, he was worried, and looked into it)
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When the e60 M5 came out, there were immediate reports of an oil line failure. The lines were redesigned and backordered. Now everyone is complaining of the SMG's failing. Can you just imagine buying a $90K and that stuff happening. Hell, the e39 M5 has vanos issues. That doesn't surface for 50K+ miles. I'm sure there's more to come with the e90. BMW quality control seems a bit lacking as they are trying to push things the boundries and are too quick to market.
Yeah. I see a recall coming for 335Is also.
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Most of the problems you are talking about are fairly isolated cases.

That being said, history has proven that first yr. cars generally have more bugs than later models after "bugs" have been worked out.

However, with ECU controlled cars most "bugs" are worked out with reflashes and software updates.

I dont forsee any long term problems with the first year 335 that would make waiting worthwhile.

Now if your like me and want to see a fulle Mtech 335 then waiting will probably be worth it...

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I dont forsee any long term problems with the first year 335 that would make waiting worthwhile.
Im just hoping this is true.
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It all started in Audi Forum and people thought they were BSing to put down BMW 335i's reputation. We(e90post) concluded that its nothing to worry about, just a scam.

It became a reality when several e90post 335i owners reported overheating issues. Some even went to the dealership and found out that its a faulty sensor or something. I remember seeing more than one thread from different 335i owners in e90post, thats why Im worried about this. Correct me if im wrong, but one of the member blew their 335i engine already or something, and bmw is taking care of him in a good manner.

Here I am. Yes, if BMW goes through with thier promises I will be taken care of in a good manner in my eyes. and right now they are working on getting that done. Thats all I can say right now.
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What happened for your engine to blow?

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