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      04-27-2010, 08:23 AM   #265
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631 is a poor choice. it is designed for interior use.

751, on the other hand, will work fine i think.
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      04-27-2010, 08:44 AM   #266
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Do you know any installers in New York? I'd like to wrap my RX-8 R3.
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631 is a poor choice. it is designed for interior use.

751, on the other hand, will work fine i think.
I think, you mean you don't know.
"751 very good cutting and application characteristics with polyacrylic permanent adhesive." You might as well go get that Walmart spray paint.
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Guys, I spoke to my supplier. Here is the deal:

631 is NOT acceptable for this application PERIOD.

The only options from Oracal are 751 and 970RA.

I will be buying a matte black 50 yard x 48 inch roll of 751. The cost for this roll is $480.00.

I will not be using the full 50 yards. So, if another member wants half the roll, they can pay me the cost of half the roll ($240.00) + a couple bucks for shipping, I will do it. I am not purchasing the 50 yard roll until someone sends payment for the other roll. If I end up shipping- heres the deal. I can measure 25 yards and give it to you, or you can wait until I finish my car, and I can give you the squeegees I used as well.

I am located in South Florida, so if someone local wants it, then perfect.

Let me know!!
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I think, you mean you don't know.
"751 very good cutting and application characteristics with polyacrylic permanent adhesive." You might as well go get that Walmart spray paint.

You're right, ill get the rattle cans all stocked up.



Where is your proof that 751 is a poor choice? Why did Oracal tell me to use 751 or 970? After all, the only difference is the technology and a laminate coat.
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why can't we use the 30x50 yard roll?
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You're right, ill get the rattle cans all stocked up.



Where is your proof that 751 is a poor choice? Why did Oracal tell me to use 751 or 970? After all, the only difference is the technology and a laminate coat.
I personally know 100s of installers. If 751 was a good choice they would all be using it to wrap with and none of them will touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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why can't we use the 30x50 yard roll?
30" x 50 yd?
Because some of the car body parts are wider than 30". for example, the roof of my car is about 46" wide.



BTW, What about the oracle 651???
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You're right, ill get the rattle cans all stocked up.



Where is your proof that 751 is a poor choice? Why did Oracal tell me to use 751 or 970? After all, the only difference is the technology and a laminate coat.
That is a big assumption for somebody that has never done a wrap. Here is the difference in technology. This was done by the best of the best installers. Nothing but 3M white printed black with a matte laminate and when it come time to take it off it will remover with ease and no damage.




Thanks for the photos on the Surgeon's work. Let me know if you want me to give credits for the work on here.

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I personally know 100s of installers. If 751 was a good choice they would all be using it to wrap with and none of them will touch it with a 10 foot pole.
There is an other big difference and that is the adhesive and that it the big key element here.
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I'm a tool, the dude wrapped his car in plastic? Come on guys, you're all lemmings if you think wrapping a car in plastic is a smart idea. Jump off the bridge with me. This is a fad, it will be out of style soon.

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Fantastic Job!

Props for DYI! Not many can do what you did. It takes talent.

However, there is a whole lot more that goes into that $3000 retail wrap than you might think. To do a job like what you have done using calendered film (3mil) instead of cast (2mil) is considerably cheaper. 3mil film will cost a sign shop about $1.50/linear yard. Then depending on the application, I would charge it out at $6.00/sqft installed. So judging on the amount of material you used, I would have charged $1800 to do the job you did, not $3000.

For a job that would run around the 3k mark, there would be a full digital print, on a much higher grade material meant for wraps. Also the print would be laminated, incurring more cost. Now pay the designer and the shop overhead costs and $3000 is pretty cheap. I would do a job with your square foot coverage at about $3600, and it would be done in less than 1 business day, about 6 to 7 hours with one installer.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just giving everyone here some food for thought. Again, you did a great job and I would hire you in an instant!
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To the OP:where did you get the rear adapter for your bike rack to fit the BMW aero bars from? I can't find one that will mate the Thule Echelon to the BMW aero kit without rattling. Thanks
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I vinyl wrapped my car flat black. This was just a random project i decided to pull the trigger on.... I had no experience whatsoever on vinyling anything. I just watched a few vids on youtube and got some advice from friends who do vinyl stickers. Here's a few pics of the process and outcome...

Hate it, Love it...It was my first time... it took me 1 week and a day to complete....did a panel a day after work =)

oh, and for the record... I didn't pay over $3000 bucks that most people pay to vinyl their car....

I paid about $120 for all materials... and i did all the work myself, with some help from my fiance from time to time

=) enjoy....
Props for DYI! Not many can do what you did. It takes talent.

However, there is a whole lot more that goes into that $3000 retail wrap than you might think. To do a job like what you have done using calendered film (3mil) instead of cast (2mil) is considerably cheaper. 3mil film will cost a sign shop about $1.50/linear yard. Then depending on the application, I would charge it out at $6.00/sqft installed. So judging on the amount of material you used, I would have charged $1800 to do the job you did, not $3000.

For a job that would run around the 3k mark, there would be a full digital print, on a much higher grade material meant for wraps. Also the print would be laminated, incurring more cost. Now pay the designer and the shop overhead costs and $3000 is pretty cheap. I would do a job with your square foot coverage at about $3600, and it would be done in less than 1 business day, about 6 to 7 hours with one installer.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just giving everyone here some food for thought. Again, you did a great job and I would hire you in an instant!
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Sorry for the double post, but this thread was getting large and I didn't want to confuse anyone on what comment I was posting on.
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Also dropped by this thread after seeing it posted on autoblog. Great work!
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Looks great - very interested to see how it looks in a few months. May do this to my E30 since the paint really needs to be redone anyhow.
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