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      08-28-2005, 09:54 PM   #23
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is350 0-60 in 5.1? i call

why? with a Six speed Auto and 306HP/ ~280LBs.
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      08-28-2005, 09:56 PM   #24
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is350 0-60 in 5.1? i call
That is pretty fast.....one of my other magazine had it at 5.8?

Most Japanese cars have high torque at kickoff.....but 5.1....

but if it is true.... LEXUS
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      08-28-2005, 10:21 PM   #25
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why? with a Six speed Auto and 306HP/ ~280LBs.
Based on your number of maximum bhp being 306, and the weight of the IS350 (3525) I would expect a 0-60 time of around 5.8 seconds. Weight of car in kg divided by max bhp *.9

I have not yet read the article from CarandDriver, but if it does indeed report 5.1 then they made a mistake.
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What thats awsome i get so happy when you hear better things about your car.
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Ok everyone,

Try this....drive each one of those cars that are compared to the E90 without looking at the speedometer or clocking yourself in 0-60.

How many people can say they "feel at one with the car" or "had a an earth moving experience" in those cars?

Next, drive an E90 just the same way you did the other cars, without looking at the speedometer ( ok, try to do this safely and obey speed limits). Then you will know what BMW means by "the ultimate driving machine". 0-60 times, Horsepower and Top Speed aren't eveything. Sometimes, the big picture means allot more than who has the best Specs.
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Ok everyone,

Try this....drive each one of those cars that are compared to the E90 without looking at the speedometer or clocking yourself in 0-60.

How many people can say they "feel at one with the car" or "had a an earth moving experience" in those cars?

Next, drive an E90 just the same way you did the other cars, without looking at the speedometer ( ok, try to do this safely and obey speed limits). Then you will know what BMW means by "the ultimate driving machine". 0-60 times, Horsepower and Top Speed aren't eveything. Sometimes, the big picture means allot more than who has the best Specs.
nice i liked that all my friends are like your car isent fast my car is so fast for me and i can handel it so much better then there lil 14.000 car
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Master Windu is correct........the 3 series(don't know about the 325i - maybe compare it to the Lexus IS250?) is the shit.....I haven't driven the Lexus IS350 yet....but I wouldn't trade my E90 for any one of them. I feel connected to the road with my 330i......and that's what matters the most.
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Master Windu is correct........

well, he IS a Jedi Master, you know


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the 3 series(don't know about the 325i - maybe compare it to the Lexus IS250?) is the shit.....I haven't driven the Lexus IS350 yet....but I wouldn't trade my E90 for any one of them. I feel connected to the road with my 330i......and that's what matters the most.

I completely agree. The feedback of my E90 is just amazing
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Based on your number of maximum bhp being 306, and the weight of the IS350 (3525) I would expect a 0-60 time of around 5.8 seconds. Weight of car in kg divided by max bhp *.9

I have not yet read the article from CarandDriver, but if it does indeed report 5.1 then they made a mistake.
I agree with ca330i.

How can the IS350 with almost the same power and torque as the 350Z (with the same displacement nonetheless) but weighing 300 lbs more and with an auto transmission be 0.5 secs faster than the 350Z that runs 0-60 in 5.6 with manual transmission.

There is something wrong with the number that C&D measured.
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I agree with ca330i.

How can the IS350 with almost the same power and torque as the 350Z (with the same displacement nonetheless) but weighing 300 lbs more and with an auto transmission be 0.5 secs faster than the 350Z that runs 0-60 in 5.6 with manual transmission.

There is something wrong with the number that C&D measured.
yeah i agree, something's funny about that number. kinda like when R&T got 6.4 out of a 2.0T A4 quattro. if u look at the performance testing of other mags, i doubt that 5.1 is true.

also i'm not surprised that the bmw won. the e90 330i is the best car in terms of steering, ride, handling , power delivery, quality and overall balance and feel. to those who don't understand why bmw consistently ranks #1 in comparisions, C&D or otherwise, u really have to drive the 330 to see for yourself.
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E90 still the best!!
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is350 0-60 in 5.1? i call
Not me, I knew that car was going to be fast! The IS350 is a great car, but its no BMW. The Test maybe off by a few hundreds, but it is and will be faster then our cars. This car they tested may be a jap version with less restrictions. I think it will be around 5.5-5.7.
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why? with a Six speed Auto and 306HP/ ~280LBs.
Its an auto! That is what killed the idea of me waiting to even drive it before I ordered my e90.
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C&D is ridiculous with their love for the 3-series. I think once or twice the perennial winners didn't get first and they themselves admitted to being shocked that a car outdid a BMW in their opinions.



but I can't ever remember them not scoring a 3-series at the very top, hehehehe
The G35 has beater the e46 at least once in the C&D testing, i know of...maybe more, however, not the e90 yet

but keep in mind, the G35 is in its infant state. 1st generation and they arent real far behind the 5th gen 3series. the 2007 G35 should be realllll interesting.

also, it scares me about what someone said that the "tester" had all sorts of elec. problems....not good. sure that is covered for 50,000 miles, but that kinda scares me in the long haul. my next car will be with me a minimum of 7 years
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Not surprised actually. I think the is350 is a 3.5 liter. The is350 is taking a shot your avg BMW buyer (A/T, non-sport pkg). If I were going to buy a car, it'd be the is350. Although there are people that have great success with owning BMW's out of warranty, I honestly can't say I'd ever want to own a BMW out of warranty.
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or an Audi out of warranty. Worst experience ever.....

It's amazing people actually buy Audis - horrible customer support too
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I agree with ca330i.

How can the IS350 with almost the same power and torque as the 350Z (with the same displacement nonetheless) but weighing 300 lbs more and with an auto transmission be 0.5 secs faster than the 350Z that runs 0-60 in 5.6 with manual transmission.

There is something wrong with the number that C&D measured.
where do the torque's peak though??
if the lexus's torque peak is at a lower RPM than the 350Z it may explain it. I know the nissan motor doesn't hit it's torque peak until over 4000 RPM, while our E90 motors hit their torque peak at around 2000 RPM. if the lexus has a nice broad torque curve(like a bmw) that would explain it

also, ,

Wasn't car and driver the one magazine that had tested the 330 at 5.4 to 60 earlier in one test
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yeah i agree, something's funny about that number. kinda like when R&T got 6.4 out of a 2.0T A4 quattro. if u look at the performance testing of other mags, i doubt that 5.1 is true.

also i'm not surprised that the bmw won. the e90 330i is the best car in terms of steering, ride, handling , power delivery, quality and overall balance and feel. to those who don't understand why bmw consistently ranks #1 in comparisions, C&D or otherwise, u really have to drive the 330 to see for yourself.

The rear diff could be different.
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where do the torque's peak though??
if the lexus's torque peak is at a lower RPM than the 350Z it may explain it. I know the nissan motor doesn't hit it's torque peak until over 4000 RPM, while our E90 motors hit their torque peak at around 2000 RPM. if the lexus has a nice broad torque curve(like a bmw) that would explain it

also, ,

Wasn't car and driver the one magazine that had tested the 330 at 5.4 to 60 earlier in one test
C&D clocked the 330i at 5.6 seconds to 60 the first time they tested it. I think the 330's torque peak is near 2700rpm.

I am having a very hard time believing this 5.1s figure for the IS350. I know it will be fast, and noticeably faster than our 330's but, daaaaaamn 5.1s and 13.7s?? That is ridiculous. I don't know how to call it, these guys aren't amateurs and they have very precise test equipment.

Only thing I can think of is that they got a ringer from Lexus. Not impossible, eh?
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Only thing I can think of is that they got a ringer from Lexus. Not impossible, eh?
Hmmmm....I think I'm beginning to like the sound of that theory.
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jesus christ guys, dont you know anything about trannys?

the gear ratios are prolly set up like that.
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jesus christ guys, dont you know anything about trannys?

the gear ratios are prolly set up like that.
Just because it is an auto doesn't mean it's slow off the line. With enough horsepower, an automatic can be very fast. Have you ever seen how quick the Mercedes SL600 is?
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