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      05-06-2010, 12:28 PM   #45
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I was hoping that the flexibility of the Gintani tune would be able to account for what the PBX is already doing, and basically just add to it. Or else I have a feeling we're gonna be seeing a crapload of used PBX's in the classifieds.

Anywho, greatly appreciate everything you're doin' for all us, n52'rs.

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Depending on what the price is of the new tune, which I am assuming is going to be quite high since it is the first of its kind, I am sure there will be a lot of people still keeping their PBX bc they can't dish out the money for it (yet). I know for me if the price is over $1000, I am going to wait either (a) to save up or (b) wait for it to go lower if it ever does lol
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Depending on what the price is of the new tune, which I am assuming is going to be quite high since it is the first of its kind, I am sure there will be a lot of people still keeping their PBX bc they can't dish out the money for it (yet). I know for me if the price is over $1000, I am going to wait either (a) to save up or (b) wait for it to go lower if it ever does lol
touche. There will be the people will that jump right on board. (like myself) and the people that want to wait awhile for a little longer term testing, more reviews, things like that.
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I personally wouldnt recommend stacking this with the PbX, it hasnt been tested and might bother the car - then again if you do it - do so at your own risk. you might see an extra gain, but currently thats an unknown, unknown.

- N51.... anyone in SoCal have an N51?

im 99% sure it will be fine
me! I have n51 I think.. its says sulv or something.. is that it?
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Wow seriously? At best it's giving you 2x the hp that the PBX is giving you, yet you're willing to pay ~3.7x the price? Not me. Price it commensurately with the proven HP and I'll consider it. If it were in the $500-$600 range then it would be a sealed deal.
However this is all conjecture because we do not have:
1. Dyno proven results
2. Release date(s)
3. Price(s)
4. Pictures of the unit
5. Pictures/video of the "install" (not hard to plug something into the OBDII port, but SOMEONE is going to ask for a DIY or be "scared" of doing it)
Yeah, I think 500-600 is fair, 1k is just too much. Might as well save up to trade in for 335.
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nice Gintani.
Craven have you thought about putt'n the 330 stage 3 manifold on the
328/325 with the upcoming flash for the 330?

Theoretically, it'll be for guys with 328/325 to do a stage 2 type of
upgrade.

But before we jump the gun, results first.
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      05-06-2010, 02:54 PM   #50
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So is it possible to do a map similar to that of a 330 on a 328 n51 with reasonable gain?
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      05-06-2010, 03:00 PM   #51
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Is it like the VOLO chip scam? Here is a link for it:

http://yhst-19807630266082.stores.yahoo.net/

Basically a device that retails for $90 and wires in to your OBDII port. Has a red and green light. It's been proven to be a scam.

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Is it like the VOLO chip scam? Here is a link for it:

http://yhst-19807630266082.stores.yahoo.net/

Basically a device that retails for $90 and wires in to your OBDII port. Has a red and green light. It's been proven to be a scam.

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Lol no mike, no.
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Let's see those dynos man, I'm excited
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      05-06-2010, 03:18 PM   #54
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Lol no mike, no.
Oh OK, it just sounded really similar. Here is an install video for the VOLO "chip" scam.



Of course the only way to tune via the OBDII is to reprogram the ECU. That requires specialized flash equipment like flash tuners use, as well a power stabilizer, etc. The tuner must download your VIN specific file, modify it, and upload it. Takes an hour or two.

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that video put me to sleep
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Tune off PBX verse this thing.... Time to put up or shut up.
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      05-06-2010, 03:53 PM   #57
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that video put me to sleep
This wont:

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This wont:
nUMBARS!!!1
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Wow, with a product like the Volo VP12 and it's MINIMUM 10HP gain, I don't know why anyone would do anything else...


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[quote=Craven 328;7271121]This wont:

your right it didnt
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A programmer like for instance superchips, which just plugs into the obo port flashes the ecu then you unplug it and are on your way would be better.

That way you could have 3 maps on the programmer and just flash the one you want. Including stock.

This one is for a F150 sells for about 300. I don't see this being a penny over 500 and even that is pushing it.


A real deal tune would be nice, not all this PBX stuff Im not 100 percent confident in.

http://gopowerhungry.com/ offers gryphon, another programmer, which mounts on your dash via a pod (or not if you don't want but you don't get the pretty stats!!) and plugs into your obo port, allows you to select maps on the fly, recently released CTS color touch screen programmer, its basicly rebranded edge http://www.edgeproducts.com/ hardware, and gopowerhungry is the tuner, you can have custom tunes made for 30 dollars each (via email filling out a form with ALL your mods) in additon to the base tunes already included on the programmer. That sells for about 600.
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Tune off PBX verse this thing.... Time to put up or shut up.
The more I read the more it sounds like a flash tune with an at-home loader. Warranty implications aside you can make good power with a flash tune if its done right. Flash tunes have a hard time remapping the throttle though. So in theory one might use the PBX performance tuning off, throttle mapping on, if they wanted to run with another performance tune.

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I never understood why BMS didn't do the programmer route vs the PBX, people would be more incline to purchase the product if it was a flash tune. Including me.
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I'm confused. Doesn't Gintani already have a flash tune for the N52s? Is this basically a user programmable version of this: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374034
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Will there be one for the Canadian model 323i?
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I'm getting excited can't wait to see what comes of this and some numbers...
It would be cool to combine PBX, this and the speed limiter fix, oh the possibilities...
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