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      05-06-2010, 06:47 PM   #67
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And here is the dyno, sorry for the wait guys.

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I never understood why BMS didn't do the programmer route vs the PBX, people would be more incline to purchase the product if it was a flash tune. Including me.
A few reasons. Among them the technology isn't readily available, the price would need to be 2-3x what the PBX runs, there are warranty/detection implications, etc. For this market the PBX approach is a pretty good fit. With a sophisticated flash tune you may pickup a few hp over a PBX tune but if it doesn't include the throttle remapping and cost 2-3x more I don't think its going to catch on. Especially if there is a chance you'll brick your ECU or raise flags at the dealer.

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A few reasons. Among them the technology isn't readily available, the price would need to be 2-3x what the PBX runs, there are warranty/detection implications, etc. For this market the PBX approach is a pretty good fit. With a sophisticated flash tune you may pickup a few hp over a PBX tune but if it doesn't include the throttle remapping and cost 2-3x more I don't think its going to catch on. Especially if there is a chance you'll brick your ECU or raise flags at the dealer.

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The dealer wont do anything because you can flash your stock map back with the tuner at any time, then reflash when you leave the dealer, if you worried about it.

this does add throttle pick up also, the car is much snappier. I drove with the PbX for 30K miles, so im very familiar with it. The Gintani tune trumps it hands down.

Dont get me wrong, I carry the BMS stuff too and they are great products, Terry has done tons for the BMW scene also.

but BMS would be a stage 1

Gintani, is stage 2.

for those that want more, its here.

Pricing is also in drop me a PM
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      05-06-2010, 07:00 PM   #70
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The dealer wont do anything because you can flash your stock map back with the tuner at any time, then reflash when you leave the dealer, if you worried about it.

this does add throttle pick up also, the car is much snappier. I drove with the PbX for 30K miles, so im very familiar with it. The Gintani tune trumps it hands down.

Dont get me wrong, I carry the BMS stuff too and they are great products, Terry has done tons for the BMW scene also.

but BMS would be a stage 1

Gintani, is stage 2.

for those that want more, its here.

Pricing is also in drop me a PM
Exactly for my F150 i can just plug my programmer in the obo port, flash it back to stock, and take it to the dealer for whatever.

Way easier then a PBX install

I also don't see how it can be 2-3 times more then the PBX, unless you had to design/produce the hardware, even so it could be done at the sub 500 price point.

You guys could include 3 "canned" tunes on the programmer, and include the option of having mod specific tunes made via email for a fee.


Again that dyno sheet looks great, I do share a concern with the hardware however,


If you guys need a 330i to dyno in socal I got one....
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Pricing is also in drop me a PM
So what's the price? And why not announce it rather than PM? Thanks!
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Hey if the 328i guys install the three stage manifold and then run the 330i tune, will this work???

Please, if so I will be the first customer regardless of price lol.
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This looks like a very interesting product.

It's nice to see some competition in the N52 market, as it usually drives innovation and drives down price!



One concern of mine, would be the Flash back to stock. Is it the actual stock file being flashed back on? or is a version/copy of the original BMW one?

This was an issue for APR Tuning, that some users Bricked ECU's or had cars that ran like crap when going in for service
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So what's the price? And why not announce it rather than PM? Thanks!
Pricing is vehicle specific and depends on the ECU in the car and model, so its easier to tailor it to someones needs and have it done custom for them/you
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I never understood why BMS didn't do the programmer route vs the PBX, people would be more incline to purchase the product if it was a flash tune. Including me.
Terry's done alot with our bimmers.
my hat is off to him. We can suggest to Terry what we want done for
our NA's, but at the end of the day if he's bring'n out a
piggyback then that's his professional/business solution.

BTW, there is the LET Flash that was out before both.
It was a process to get the Flash done. You needed your vin to be read then the flash was packaged for your bimmer then installed threw the OBDII port for bout an hour/or less.

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The dealer wont do anything because you can flash your stock map back with the tuner at any time, then reflash when you leave the dealer, if you worried about it.

this does add throttle pick up also, the car is much snappier. I drove with the PbX for 30K miles, so im very familiar with it. The Gintani tune trumps it hands down.

Dont get me wrong, I carry the BMS stuff too and they are great products, Terry has done tons for the BMW scene also.

but BMS would be a stage 1

Gintani, is stage 2.

for those that want more, its here.

Pricing is also in drop me a PM

thank you for answering one of my questions.
So, you're saying that a universal stock flash will be provide'd
on this USB/OBDII device?
or is the stock flash specific to every NA bimmer?

it'll be nice when you get a chance to answer the rest of my
questions. When you get a chance.
and please PM me with pricing. Thanks.

Oh, also with that dyno.
what other perfomance mod did you have on at the time?
and copy dyno chart to page 1.
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The way most programmers work is like this.

You plug it in, before you can do anything it backs up the stock file.

Once its on the programmer you can then proceede to flash whichever tune you want, once it flashes the tune your programmer becomes locked to that car until you flash it back to stock.
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Pricing is vehicle specific and depends on the ECU in the car and model, so its easier to tailor it to someones needs and have it done custom for them/you
oh nice, never mind what I posted earlier, you answered it.
I believe more questions are pouring in now.
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there will be a generic tune for each, 325,328, and 330 (each there own)

and then can be modified if you have the OBD2 to log the data and send it back to us.

On the dyno it is a stock engine, with the exception of a K&N drop in and muffler delete.



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Terry's done alot with our bimmers.
my hat is off to him. We can suggest to Terry what we want done for
our NA's, but at the end of the day if he's bring'n out a
piggyback then that's his professional/business solution.

BTW, there is the LET Flash that was out before both.
It was a process to get the Flash done. You needed your vin to be read then the flash was packaged for your bimmer then installed threw the OBDII port for bout an hour/or less.




thank you for answering one of my questions.
So, you're saying that a universal stock flash will be provide'd
on this USB/OBDII device?
or is the stock flash specific to every NA bimmer?

it'll be nice when you get a chance to answer the rest of my
questions. When you get a chance.
and please PM me with pricing. Thanks.

Oh, also with that dyno.
what other perfomance mod did you have on at the time?
and copy dyno chart to page 1.
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This is certainly an interesting development for the E90 community.

Can you please clarify for me a few things. Will this tune work in a similar way to the PBX in that the PBX modifies the signals used by the ECU, or does it completely overide the mapping on the ECU and use it's own?

I am wondering if this product can be implemented in a way to complement the 3 Stage Intake Manifold swap for us 325 owners. Is it in the realm of possibility to purchase the 330 tune and use it on our 325's in conjuction with the 3 Stage Manifold to see the gains your tune is offering?
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CRAVEN!

This is certainly an interesting development for the E90 community.

I am wondering if this product can be implemented in a way to complement the 3 Stage Intake Manifold swap for us 325 owners. Is it in the realm of possibility to purchase the 330 tune and use it on our 325's in conjuction with the 3 Stage Manifold to see the gains your tune is offering?
from what he explain to me it will work with the manifold swap tune (which i'm also interested)
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from what he explain to me it will work with the manifold swap tune (which i'm also interested)
That would be amazing, I would love to hear some confirmation.
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CRAVEN!

This is certainly an interesting development for the E90 community.

Can you please clarify for me a few things. Will this tune work in a similar way to the PBX in that the PBX modifies the signals used by the ECU, or does it completely overide the mapping on the ECU and use it's own?

I am wondering if this product can be implemented in a way to complement the 3 Stage Intake Manifold swap for us 325 owners. Is it in the realm of possibility to purchase the 330 tune and use it on our 325's in conjuction with the 3 Stage Manifold to see the gains your tune is offering?
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this tune is not a piggyback like the BMS, it completely changes the ECU coding.

It can be fully optimized for the 3 stage manifold, much smoother then the powerchips tune, i know that for a fact.

so you would still have a 325 ECU, but it would be coded to support the manifold so a 330 at heart, but with a 325 VIN tag
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That's awesome... exactly what I wanted to hear.

Marcello, one of the first ones to step up and try the swap with the Powerchips tune is experiencing a throttle lag issue. Any idea what the might be about?
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That's awesome... exactly what I wanted to hear.

Marcello, one of the first ones to step up and try the swap with the Powerchips tune is experiencing a throttle lag issue. Any idea what the might be about?
yup, powerchips is the issue they dont have the valvetronic figured out quite right to make it work, the tuner in Gintani is a genius. They dont mess around and will make sure it works flawlessly for you guys.

if there is a local in Socal that has done the manifold swap - PM me
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just got the pbx.....haven't installed it. now you go and tell me this. what do i do?!?
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