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Decided on Dinan over Procede/JB3 -- childish to want the badge?
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05-12-2010, 08:27 PM | #67 |
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I'm still debating the Intercooler and Oil Cooler (and stage 3). This time not for the badge. I got a PM strongly recommending the IC because I live in Texas, which makes sense. Also, I plan on keeping this car for a *long* time, so wouldn't getting the upgraded cooling options keep my car in good health for much longer?
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05-12-2010, 08:32 PM | #68 |
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All this Dinan talk ticks me off.... I can't even find a dealer in a 50 mile radius who will even install it anymore. #1 dealer and my home base has officially stopped doing software or any bolt ons. That leaves the #2 dealer who only knows how to send the DME out to Dinan. Who wants to lock up your car for 4 days when you know it can be flashed locally at a competent dealer. Want this product so so bad and can't get it. DAMN
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05-12-2010, 08:34 PM | #69 | |
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05-12-2010, 08:41 PM | #70 | |
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Also, where do you get that I don't care about performance? I care about performance, but I'm not addicted to it to the point where I have to know if I'm 2/10ths of a second quicker or slower than Joe Piggyback or can lap the track a second or two faster or slower. I just like the increased performance, and I'm not out there trying to compete with everyone else. Does that clarify things for you?
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05-12-2010, 08:45 PM | #71 | |
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Sure glad I don't live in Chi-Town! Sorry to hear the dealers are being so dense there.
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05-12-2010, 08:48 PM | #72 | |
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Dinan site only shows 2 dealers and 1 independent in IL now. I can call the Independent, but it really scared me off on just how much the 2 very reputable dealers didn't want to deal with Dinan, their reps or their product. My car is a CPO w/ 25k miles. No stock oil cooler and wanted to at least get in on the sale. They've extended it, so I have another two weeks to S$%t or get off the pot I guess, but it will be w/o dealer support. I wasn't all that thrilled anyway about the minimal gains (30hp) I'd get from Stage 1 anyway. Currently working on getting all of the parts together for an oil cooler retrofit. Cheers.
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05-12-2010, 08:48 PM | #73 |
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I was talking to my local dinan dealer tech and he basically told me unless I was really tracking the car or a "stop light racer" ie pedal smashing stop light to stop light the factory ic is fine. With normal air flow the ic has no problem with heat soak.
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05-12-2010, 09:00 PM | #74 | |
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![]() My SA gave me a loaner while he shipped my chip to Dinan because I was "due for a brake flush." Due for a brake flush at 10 months? ![]() |
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Actually, I got you and the op mixed up. I was referring to the price they were throwing around $4000 with the additional mods and tune. My mistake. On to the other subjects.... Are you sensative or something? I wasn't on a tangent. I was asking a question. You jumping to conclusions and getting defensive only tells me that your statements that "you don't care" ect ect ect...only confirms that you do. You know, like the person that always tells you how religious or honest they are...
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05-13-2010, 10:35 AM | #76 | |
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![]() Tell me this... If the DME controls ignition more or less on all tunes, and the DME controls A/F more or less, and both tunes can run the same boost, what part of quality does dinan offer over joe shmoe tune? Throttle response and driveability are the only thing to distinguish tunes and bells and whistles. Don't even respond to this.... I already know what your answer is going to be. An over-elaborate excuse to make us think Dinan is prestigious and slower thats why you do it. As I said in this thread or another, I dont give a sh*t if mickey mouse made the tune.... does it work for my needs and my car and I find value in the price... Yes... Done. You want to spend 3x more money on a tune and it helps you sleep at night, good for you. Just dont preach like its the best thing since sliced bread, and if you arent, then good we are on the same page after all. But here is the problem with your post, you buy mods, and know there are faster options, yet you say you care about performance.... Now its one thing for someone to say, I know there are faster options, but they are more expensive thats why I dont buy them fine... But you bought the more expensive slower option..... but you care about performance, thats why you bought the slower one? Ugh
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05-13-2010, 10:39 AM | #77 | |
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![]() very well put. Some people love Dinan for the warranty....just like Tommy Boy said, 'I can take a shit in a box if you want me to and put a warranty on it"
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Ugh, so they called to tell me I have to replace my 2 right tires because they have bubbles. $1k more down the drain. Actually, I'm just going to replace all 4 because I have 20k miles, so more like $2k more. Anyone know a place to get stock runflats cheap?
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ditch the runflats please!!!! get a continental mobility kit from tirerack
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A quote by road&track from oct 17 2008
Key to the transformation was Dinan's cracking the encryption of BMW's engine-management computers — a process that has taken years, a brain trust of software personnel and copious infusions of cash. Less determined competitors have either folded under the strain or simply reverted to piggyback engine controllers.
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05-13-2010, 12:52 PM | #85 | |
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![]() thanks for the 2 year old quote from a less than biased source. Well done. lets get Road and Track to do an honest test on a Dinan software tuned car vs a Procede or JB3 car on the track and on the street and we'll see what they say. it wont be pretty for the Dinan......
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http://www.dinancars.com/assets/File...%20revised.pdf The maximum boost that you'll see out of a Dinan tune is 14 psi. Also it does tapper quite a bit after 6,000 rpm. That's why I still aim my shift points at 6,200. The reason is uncle Steve doesn't want use spinning our turbos that fast or cooking our engines. That's his call. He's the one backstopping BMW's warranty. That said, the piggybacks have come along way. We aren't hearing any reports of blown turbos or cooked engines, so these engines are perhaps tougher than Steve may think. You can accuse Dinan of being too conservative, but you won't be hearing it from me. Once again, he's making the bet and I plan on keeping my car a long time. I can say, if you care at all, that I'm getting very smooth linear power up to 6,000. I've also have had no hassles from my non-Dinan dealer about my tune, nor have my tune and supporting mods given me any problems. I've sunk a lot into it no doubt, but I do enjoy the instant ON smooth power. The last time I went to the track I lined up twice against a new Camero SS with some performance mods and PNY KLR for plates. I beat him both times by a couple of car lengths. I also had someone asking me if my car was a special edition with a V-12 or something. That's what it's about, not trying to beat up on your fellow 335 bros. So happy hunting (Cameros and such, not 335's) and enjoy your ride!
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05-13-2010, 02:42 PM | #88 |
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IMO, this is all BS. Dinan doesn't run boost above 14psi. Set the Procede and JB3 to not boost over 14psi and call it a day. Most problem that occur are users experimenting at those higher boost level without the supporting modes or right fuel octane. GIAC even sets you up a different flash map for a higher octane level.
On the warranty side, why would anyone offer warranty other than their product. I won't sell you a keyboard and tell you if anything happens with your computer I will replace that too. I agree with the above post on the Tommy Boy movie reference. Most customers who are buying a Dinan tune, are comfortable with the warranty they offer and not the tune, as there are other cheaper alternatives. On what a flash company does a month is irrelevant of what tune is better. All that number shows is how many customers are more comfortable with a warranty.
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