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      06-01-2010, 11:25 PM   #45
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Can you please pm the price for coding and about how long it will take. Thank you so much

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      06-07-2010, 02:13 PM   #46
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LCI Taillight Coding - What is a Coding Index, FRM3 and Review

Now that we've had quite a bit of field use with different BMW models, we were noticing that some vehicles simply were not accepting the programming from the autologic unit. Production dates seems to play a part in this, but we've have had a couple of MY08 M3s pass with no errors or flickering present.

As stated earlier in the thread, there are a particular number of modules targeted in the update with the most critical modules being the CAS and FRM - both of which store the vehicle order (VO).

Why were some vehicles accepting programming and others were not? Researching through notes has come up with a possible answer.

On a majority of early models, we noticed the Coding Index (CI) was very low. Here's an example of a 2010 M3 with a quick check of the Footwell Module:



This is a pre-qualification check on a 2010 model M3 which shows a coding index of 49 and a manufacture date of October 2009 within the footwell module (FRM3). Upon scoring records, this vehicle passes checks and is greenlighted to proceed with coding.

With the same pre-qualification check on a 2008 M3, we found a coding index of 9, (FRM2), not compatible for coding and must be replaced with a FRM3.



The Footwell module (as the name suggests) is located under the passenger side footwell, this controls the headlamps and majority of other satellite modules within the vehicle, including storing the vehicle order.

Replacing the FRM2 to a FRM3 and coding immediately corrected the issue.

Question: Does my BMW require a FRM3?
A: At this time, we are stating that BMWs with a production date of 8/09 or earlier will require a replacement FRM3. A pre-qualification check will determine if this is needed or not, we will update this post if this info changes in the near future. We have found that vehicles with a CI of as low as 31 are passing checks.

Question: How will I know if I need to purchase a FRM3 without a pre-inspection at my local autologic dealer?
A: It's not 100% certain at this time, but likely early models will require the updated FRM. While some early 2008 M3s have passed without updating - a number of possibilities could have taken place:

a. Alternate manufacturer used for FRM from BMW (the FRM3 pictured is manufactured by LEAR)
b. warranty replacement has previously taken place

Question: Can I purchase a used FRM3 module from eBay?
A: No, we do not recommend coding used modules as a number of other issues can arise.

Question: Will updating the FRM module allow compatibility?
A: No, the coding index seems to be what is preventing coding from taking place, confirming a hardware variation rather than software-based.

We will be logging more vehicles as they pass through the doors, while keeping a supply of FRM3 modules on hand just in case.

Thanks for reading, we have put a LOT of R&D into making this happen - so your support is appreciated.
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Just great....
This was going to be my next mod. Oh well....
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so im guessing these lights will be a problem for my 2007 e92?
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so im guessing these lights will be a problem for my 2007 e92?
I believe u can still do this retrofit, BUT from my understanding, it'll cost you more for the FRM3 module. Without this module, MY 8/09 and earlier my not be able to get coded properly; i.e, you'll still get the error messages and the flickering LEDs on start up.
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Well hopefully mine will pass. I have an appointment this Thursday at EAS. My car has a manufacture date of October 2008.
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so im guessing these lights will be a problem for my 2007 e92?
No problem, just likely requiring a replacement FRM.

As indicated earlier in this thread - the lamps still function without coding, you will just be presented with bulb-out errors and the flickering upon startup.

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Well hopefully mine will pass. I have an appointment this Thursday at EAS. My car has a manufacture date of October 2008.
First step will be to plug in and check your current FRM.
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No problem, just likely requiring a replacement FRM.

As indicated earlier in this thread - the lamps still function without coding, you will just be presented with bulb-out errors and the flickering upon startup.



First step will be to plug in and check your current FRM.
will you guys be selling the replacement FRM too?
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will you guys be selling the replacement FRM too?
We've already placed the modules on our website, and stock them in-house.

Modules will need to be installed at the programming facility and coded on-site.
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We've already placed the modules on our website, and stock them in-house.

Modules will need to be installed at the programming facility and coded on-site.
thanks...but daym...didn't realize the FRM cost so much...it basically just push this mod out of my price range for now....so this will probably cost me at least 1 grand to upgrade to these new LCI lights...
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Does the EAS website carry the EU-spec e92 LCI tails? I find red turn signals as dangerous and it is the only thing keeping me from upgrading my stock ones.
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Does the EAS website carry the EU-spec e92 LCI tails? I find red turn signals as dangerous and it is the only thing keeping me from upgrading my stock ones.
We cannot offer the EU spec tails, they are not DOT approved.
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Hey Tom,
Thanks for checking my car out today. It su*%s that my car coded such a low number and will require the FRM3 module.

Lets see....new iphone 4G or LCI taillights
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Hey Tom,
Thanks for checking my car out today. It su*%s that my car coded such a low number and will require the FRM3 module.

Lets see....new iphone 4G or LCI taillights
iPhone still has some time before being released.
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Here's some install shots of the VF Engineering Fighter Pilot M3 getting the LCI treatment:



























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We cannot offer the EU spec tails, they are not DOT approved.
Any way to get the turn signal amber colored then? Like switching out the LED bulb?
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Any way to get the turn signal amber colored then? Like switching out the LED bulb?
The LED's are soldered to the circuitboard and are not removable, the lamps are not meant to be serviced.
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The LED's are soldered to the circuitboard and are not removable, the lamps are not meant to be serviced.
Hey how do I check if I need to change my frm module? I'm in Toronto so I can't come in
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Any way to get the turn signal amber colored then? Like switching out the LED bulb?
ecstuning.com and bmminiparts.com stock the European lights with the amber turn signals and ship to the US (ECS is domestic).
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ecstuning.com and bmminiparts.com stock the European lights with the amber turn signals and ship to the US (ECS is domestic).
Can't seem to find them there
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Can't seem to find them there
I had to contact their respective sales departments, who then sent me the following order forms:

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E92-M3-...aign=postreply

http://www.bmminiparts.com/PriceFind...7-D789A72F973C

(Ignore PNs x322, x779, and x780 in the second link)

The trunk-mounted portion of the taillights are the same in the US as they are in Europe, so you can pick those up from anywhere.
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Hey how do I check if I need to change my frm module? I'm in Toronto so I can't come in
Being a 2007 model, you will most likely need a FRM3 in order to accept coding.
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