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      06-04-2010, 11:27 PM   #45
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what israel did was completely justified.they offered to unload the cargo in Israel and to have it inspected but the "peace activists" refused. now, why would they refuse if it is just aid that they are delivering?

a wise man once said "if arabs put down their arms, there will be peace. if israel puts down their arms, there will be no israel".

israel wouldnt have been put in this situation if they weren't constantly attacked by suicide bombers and terrorists sneaking into israeli villages and murdering innocent women and children. did you know that israel also drops warning leaflets on their targets if they know that there could be innocent people there?

there is no "massacre" going on in the west bank and gaza. the Palestinians are doing this so that the world will feel bad for them.
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what israel did was completely justified.they offered to unload the cargo in Israel and to have it inspected but the "peace activists" refused. now, why would they refuse if it is just aid that they are delivering?

a wise man once said "if arabs put down their arms, there will be peace. if israel puts down their arms, there will be no israel".

israel wouldnt have been put in this situation if they weren't constantly attacked by suicide bombers and terrorists sneaking into israeli villages and murdering innocent women and children. did you know that israel also drops warning leaflets on their targets if they know that there could be innocent people there?

there is no "massacre" going on in the west bank and gaza. the Palestinians are doing this so that the world will feel bad for them.
hey BK go to the post I stared "we con the world parody" Its 2 posts below this one when on the politics/religion section. I bet you will like the song and video about the flotilla ship that was made. Or maybe you already saw it
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hey BK go to the post I stared "we con the world parody" Its 2 posts below this one when on the politics/religion section. I bet you will like the song and video about the flotilla ship that was made. Or maybe you already saw it
lol ya i did. go to youtube and check out videos by "puttingitmildly" or something like that..... very interesting stuff
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what israel did was completely justified.they offered to unload the cargo in Israel and to have it inspected but the "peace activists" refused. now, why would they refuse if it is just aid that they are delivering?

a wise man once said "if arabs put down their arms, there will be peace. if israel puts down their arms, there will be no israel".


israel wouldnt have been put in this situation if they weren't constantly attacked by suicide bombers and terrorists sneaking into israeli villages and murdering innocent women and children. did you know that israel also drops warning leaflets on their targets if they know that there could be innocent people there?

there is no "massacre" going on in the west bank and gaza. the Palestinians are doing this so that the world will feel bad for them.
We have been seeing Palestinian territories slowly vanishing haven't we?
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Look in the mid 90's and you will see the IHH was classified as a terrorist organization the the Turks. They smuggled weapons. On the outside terrorist organizations always attempt to show they are doing good in order to make a smoke screen for their real goals. Regarding the blockade. Israel has every right to check what goes into gaza. I mean Gaza does not have the best reputation right??? Tunnels made from Egypt to Gaza funneling weapons used against the Israelis. So forgive the Israelis when they wanted to make sure nothing was aboard. To be perfectly honest my father and I both spoke about this and both of us said nothing will aboard that ship. Its to obvious. However they could have also docked in Egypt and then given the aid to Gaza. But no....if they go through Israel and Israel does not allow it then it makes the Israelis look like animals. Very well calculated. Furthermore since when are Turks so concerned about Palestinians anyway. It is my understanding that Turks arent to fond of arabs anyway and the only thing an arab is good for is being ruled by a Turk. At least thats what my turkish aquaintances say.

It was palestinans' land before..you forget this.. and Israel (jews) had been settled down by support of england at the end of 1800s forcibly in the region. Now Israel embargo Palestine, using weapons like white phosphorus which are forbidden with respect to cwc (chemical weapons convention) rules. Second thing, if you apply persecution towards people, of course they will seek ways to defend themselves. Husnu mubarak (president of Egypt) is very well guided guy by "other nations".. he doesn't let open the doors to pass aids to Gaza. Maybe that's why ships were going to Gaza directly..

Please believe my honesty that it wasn't a plan to create chaotic atmosphere between Turkey and Israel. At least Israel would check and dock the ships by their escort to Gaza however they prefered to raid and kill civilians..that is the summary of what happened this week..

There were protests in Israel yesterday about the raid case..public is seperated into two groups.. what do you think about this ? Also if you don't mind I wanna ask you one more thing..do you live in U.S or Israel ?
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It was palestinans' land before..you forget this.. and Israel (jews) had been settled down by support of england at the end of 1800s forcibly in the region. Now Israel embargo Palestine, using weapons like white phosphorus which are forbidden with respect to cwc (chemical weapons convention) rules. Second thing, if you apply persecution towards people, of course they will seek ways to defend themselves. Husnu mubarak (president of Egypt) is very well guided guy by "other nations".. he doesn't let open the doors to pass aids to Gaza. Maybe that's why ships were going to Gaza directly..

Please believe my honesty that it wasn't a plan to create chaotic atmosphere between Turkey and Israel. At least Israel would check and dock the ships by their escort to Gaza however they prefered to raid and kill civilians..that is the summary of what happened this week..

There were protests in Israel yesterday about the raid case..public is seperated into two groups.. what do you think about this ? Also if you don't mind I wanna ask you one more thing..do you live in U.S or Israel ?
Selmen before I begin to answer your post. Do you mind if I ask you something as well. Please tell me how many Greeks the Turks murdered when they invaded? And regarding the Israelis taking palestinian land. I will respond with this first. Isnt the UN still condeming Turkey for occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974. Now how many displaced Greeks are there because of that occupation. So explain to me how a turk can bring up israeli occupation when the turks are doing the same to Norther Cyprus. We will leave that to another discussion.

Regarding Israel, Jews and Christians have been there before Islam was even a religion. I hope you dont think Islam has been around when Jesus was alive. Christianity only really began 300 years after the death of Christ.

Its interesting how no one remembers what other nations use when they are at war however everyone always remembers what the Israelis use. This outward anti semitism.....is it there because people in the middle east are jealous that they Israelis took a desert and turned it into a a thriving and flourishing garden. While most of the middle east is still dry desert. Selem humor me and read a book called "The Hodge". The author is Jordanian and as a child he would sit look at the Israeli and Jordanian border and could not comprehend how lush gardens and mangroves are on the Israeli side while rock and sand are on the Jordanian side.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are given to the Palis every year by the US, England, and other countries. Aid is given to them. A lot of that money is STOLEN however that is not my fault, the US's fault, or any other governments fault. That is the fault of their leaders, Hamas and Fatah. Once the money is given and aid is given its time to fend for themselves. How they distribute it is their business. But please dont blame the Israelis. Regarding Egypt not letting them use their ports....that says something and sends a message. Their own people want nothing to do with them.

Oh and one more thing. I hope you do know the story of Constantinople. It was taken over by the Ottoman Turk empire in 1453. And the first thing that was done was changing the name to Istanbul and buidling a mosque while destoying a church. Sudan has had 3 million of its Christians killed by muslims so date. When the muslims invaded Saudi Arabia, and Syria they built mosques in Damascus and Mecca. That is called Islamization. And spread sharia law.

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Selmen before I begin to answer your post. Do you mind if I ask you something as well. Please tell me how many Greeks the Turks murdered when they invaded? And regarding the Israelis taking palestinian land. I will respond with this first. Isnt the UN still condeming Turkey for occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974. Now how many displaced Greeks are there because of that occupation. So explain to me how a turk can bring up israeli occupation when the turks are doing the same to Norther Cyprus. We will leave that to another discussion.

Regarding Israel, Jews and Christians have been there before Islam was even a religion. I hope you dont think Islam has been around when Jesus was alive. Christianity only really began 300 years after the death of Christ.

Its interesting how no one remembers what other nations use when they are at war however everyone always remembers what the Israelis use. This outward anti semitism.....is it there because people in the middle east are jealous that they Israelis took a desert and turned it into a a thriving and flourishing garden. While most of the middle east is still dry desert. Selem humor me and read a book called "The Hodge". The author is Jordanian and as a child he would sit look at the Israeli and Jordanian border and could not comprehend how lush gardens and mangroves are on the Israeli side while rock and sand are on the Jordanian side.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are given to the Palis every year by the US, England, and other countries. Aid is given to them. A lot of that money is STOLEN however that is not my fault, the US's fault, or any other governments fault. That is the fault of their leaders, Hamas and Fatah. Once the money is given and aid is given its time to fend for themselves. How they distribute it is their business. But please dont blame the Israelis. Regarding Egypt not letting them use their ports....that says something and sends a message. Their own people want nothing to do with them.

Oh and one more thing. I hope you do know the story of Constantinople. It was taken over by the Ottoman Turk empire in 1453. And the first thing that was done was changing the name to Istanbul and buidling a mosque while destoying a church. Sudan has had 3 million of its Christians killed by muslims so date. When the muslims invaded Saudi Arabia, and Syria they built mosques in Damascus and Mecca. That is called Islamization. And spread sharia law.
All good points but you missed out on the Armenian Genocide to add to the list of aggressive attacks by Turkey...NAUGHTY!
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All good points but you missed out on the Armenian Genocide to add to the list of aggressive attacks by Turkey...NAUGHTY!
Chris sorry about that. I was typing kind of fast and ideas were flowing through my head. I was grabbing what ever ideas I had. And writing about the closest countries to Turkey. But you are 100% correct.
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Selmen before I begin to answer your post. Do you mind if I ask you something as well. Please tell me how many Greeks the Turks murdered when they invaded? And regarding the Israelis taking palestinian land. I will respond with this first. Isnt the UN still condeming Turkey for occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974. Now how many displaced Greeks are there because of that occupation. So explain to me how a turk can bring up israeli occupation when the turks are doing the same to Norther Cyprus. We will leave that to another discussion.

Regarding Israel, Jews and Christians have been there before Islam was even a religion. I hope you dont think Islam has been around when Jesus was alive. Christianity only really began 300 years after the death of Christ.

Its interesting how no one remembers what other nations use when they are at war however everyone always remembers what the Israelis use. This outward anti semitism.....is it there because people in the middle east are jealous that they Israelis took a desert and turned it into a a thriving and flourishing garden. While most of the middle east is still dry desert. Selem humor me and read a book called "The Hodge". The author is Jordanian and as a child he would sit look at the Israeli and Jordanian border and could not comprehend how lush gardens and mangroves are on the Israeli side while rock and sand are on the Jordanian side.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are given to the Palis every year by the US, England, and other countries. Aid is given to them. A lot of that money is STOLEN however that is not my fault, the US's fault, or any other governments fault. That is the fault of their leaders, Hamas and Fatah. Once the money is given and aid is given its time to fend for themselves. How they distribute it is their business. But please dont blame the Israelis. Regarding Egypt not letting them use their ports....that says something and sends a message. Their own people want nothing to do with them.

Oh and one more thing. I hope you do know the story of Constantinople. It was taken over by the Ottoman Turk empire in 1453. And the first thing that was done was changing the name to Istanbul and buidling a mosque while destoying a church. Sudan has had 3 million of its Christians killed by muslims so date. When the muslims invaded Saudi Arabia, and Syria they built mosques in Damascus and Mecca. That is called Islamization. And spread sharia law.
If you are in a battle one side will invade another as a result...At least it was the way happened in the past.

We have been in Anatolia for centuries. Our nation had been exposed to invasions by its neigboors many times in the history especially from Byzantine Empire. Maybe you know, we say this crusades. I'm giving the example of crusades because it is the most known one. They wanted to stop rise of Islam and Ottoman Empire. Here, it was the real jealousy that you mention. Otherwise, it is not a matter of having a green land. It depends on money. If you look at emirate arab countries they are green too and becoming more green everyday...

However, Israel's situation is different, I can't see any country or another thing when we look at history...I mean they were stateless...even some of the jews had defected from Spain to Ottoman Empire in 1500s despite none of the countries accepted them. We have shown our humanity while no body was showing to them. If Israel would have had any nation or established state before and had to fight against "jealousy" countries around maybe I could base Israel's today ideal on your sayings. So you cannot put Israel into same place with Turkey. You know this very well Israel would not able to locate without support of U.S and England. It was a project to settle jews in the middle east and it has been applied successfully by these two country. so tell me who is financing Israel ? I do not blame these two country, I blame governments which managed by lobbies that govern countries behind curtains and use them for their own interest.


Anyway, regarding Cyprus, so do you know how many Turks are murdered in the middle of 1960s due to conflicts caused by Greeks ? They had been forced to leave cyprus..103 Turkish villages evacuated..list is keep going..maybe as you said we should leave it to another discussion. We have solved most of the problems (ı am not only speaking for this) with Greece and this situation will continue as long as both sides respect each other. We don't want any problem with our neighboors and in the region. Also I wait your comments about three greek people on the board that we heard from media they attacked Israeli soldiers..Maybe they could have been shot (It was possible) and this time I could ask you for the rights of greeks ha?...

By the way as I remember one of the ships were coming from Greece..
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If you are in a battle one side will invade another as a result...At least it was the way happened in the past.

We have been in Anatolia for centuries. Our nation had been exposed to invasions by its neigboors many times in the history especially from Byzantine Empire. Maybe you know, we say this crusades. I'm giving the example of crusades because it is the most known one. They wanted to stop rise of Islam and Ottoman Empire. Here, it was the real jealousy that you mention. Otherwise, it is not a matter of having a green land. It depends on money. If you look at emirate arab countries they are green too and becoming more green everyday...

However, Israel's situation is different, I can't see any country or another thing when we look at history...I mean they were stateless...even some of the jews had defected from Spain to Ottoman Empire in 1500s despite none of the countries accepted them. We have shown our humanity while no body was showing to them. If Israel would have had any nation or established state before and had to fight against "jealousy" countries around maybe I could base Israel's today ideal on your sayings. So you cannot put Israel into same place with Turkey. You know this very well Israel would not able to locate without support of U.S and England. It was a project to settle jews in the middle east and it has been applied successfully by these two country. so tell me who is financing Israel ? I do not blame these two country, I blame governments which managed by lobbies that govern countries behind curtains and use them for their own interest.


Anyway, regarding Cyprus, so do you know how many Turks are murdered in the middle of 1960s due to conflicts caused by Greeks ? They had been forced to leave cyprus..103 Turkish villages evacuated..list is keep going..maybe as you said we should leave it to another discussion. We have solved most of the problems (ı am not only speaking for this) with Greece and this situation will continue as long as both sides respect each other. We don't want any problem with our neighboors and in the region. Also I wait your comments about three greek people on the board that we heard from media they attacked Israeli soldiers..Maybe they could have been shot (It was possible) and this time I could ask you for the rights of greeks ha?...

By the way as I remember one of the ships were coming from Greece..
As you can tell I am not Christian. And as far as I can tell there was never any mention of Jews being involved in the crusades. That being said Jews were in the middle east way before the muslim religion was even a factor. Christians were there as well. If you read the old testament you will see for yourself. Then again that book is so old some things might of been added and others deleted. Jews came back to israel after hundreds of years. That has been their homeland. There is so much proof that jews were there first. The wailing wall, mosada, etc etc. All those dated back to when muslims were not even around.

You are mentioning the United Arab Emirates that it is becoming greener by the day. That doesnt impress me one bit. Israel has been green since the 1950's. You mean it took that long for some of the arab countries to catch up. Look at Jordon, Syria and parts of Egypt. They are still a waste land. Lets blame israel for that as well.

Regarding the US and England giving Israel money. Yes they help however Israel exports more technology per capita that any other country in the world. Have you ever heard of Motorola USA. One of its divisions is actually an Israeli company Motorola Israel. It is an arm of Motorola yet it is its own company.They take care of the wireless and cellular communications. In addition did you know how much food is exported out of Israel into middle eastern countries. Where do you think they get all their fruits and vegetables? As well as juices. Of course Saudi Arabia and a few other countries have different labels put on because it can not say "made in Israel" since the people will be offended that their muslim governments are buying from the jews. And why arent the Egyptians, Jordanians, or Syrians taking care of the Pali like the jews do. I mean the Pali can have free medical which they do receive. Interesting how the Syrians only provide weapons so that hamas and fatah can attempt to destroy israel but will not help the Palis in any other way.

Then again the US gives money to Egypt, Jordon as well as the Palestinians. So if you are going to say the US gives money to Israel make sure you mention the other muslim countries and people who receive aid from the US as well. Please do not make it out as though only Israel receives money. It is not israels fault that the palis dont have everything they want. Let them blame their so called government that steals all that money like that whore Arafat did. He sent his wife to France and was sending her $500,000 a month so she could live a beautiful life instead of using that money to feed clothe and shelter those he said he was fighting for. He was a whore like every other leader there. They would take the money that was donated for the people and kept it for themselves while. And to hide what he was doing he blamed all their problems on the israelis.

Oh wait didn't Arafat attempt to other throw King Hussein of Jordon in 1974. Yes he did. And what was that little jewish country that who came in and saved Jordon from that whore Arafat. Ah yes the country is called Israel. Baruch Hashem that Arafat is dead.
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