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      02-24-2015, 03:55 AM   #1
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Headunit that does highs, mids, lows and sub?

Wondering if you guys can please recommend some headunits (single din) that can run highs, mids, lows and a sub.

Besides the p99.
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I head unit alone won't deliver high quality sound.

I head unit alone won't deliver high quality sound.
There is just not enough power in a head unit to do that
without and external amp and some good speakers.
That being said there are some head units that will present
higher quality audio signals to and amp.

You need around 50 watts RMS or better before the better speakers will
start to sound good. There are no Head Units that can deliver that
about the most any will deliver is a claimed 50watts peak.
Any true sub needs lots of power and its own amp.

Aftermarket Head Units are not wildly popular on BMW's because of all
the side effects . The one that looks like it belongs most in the car is
the Dynavin N6.
Before you consider and aftermarket head unit for an E9x you need to know
which sound system you are starting with.

BMW stereo types
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352586
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http://bmwcoders.com/forum/3-er-8/bm...1-e92-e93-291/
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electical e90 pdf
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http://www.musicarnw.com/page-2/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...4&d=1278871872

P99 is suppose to be the best one for audiophile signals actually.

why not keep the BMW head unit buy a amp/processor or amp and processor.

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I'm currently running scanspeak illuminator tweeters on the front stage and center.. Scanspeak illuminator 4.5" mid in my center and my old focal k2 mids in my doors. Zapco amp and Arc Audio PS8 processor. I hate the way the underseats sound.

I want to get rid of my center and underseat subs and add the scanspeak 7" midbass to my door.

Oh and I also have a trunk sub.

My original system was the logic 7, thanks for all the links, I'm going to check them out. I know the p99 is suppose to be the best but $1100 for a headunit is a little to much. If I can't find something that comes close to it I might just end up getting the p99. I'll see. Thank you again for the links.
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What do you have in the doors an floors.

What do you have in the doors an floors.
Are they the originals. Some Jehnerts for the floors
and Morels for the doors would give a more even balanced
midbass to upper range.

Whats the next pioneer down the mrd80 or something like that.

Never heard of scanspeak.
never heard of Jehnerts before I came here or Morels for that matter.

If you want to go crazy check out the Jehnert door panels.

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I'm currently running scanspeak illuminator tweeters on the front stage and center.. Scanspeak illuminator 4.5" mid in my center and my old focal k2 mids in my doors. Zapco amp and Arc Audio PS8 processor. I hate the way the underseats sound.

I want to get rid of my center and underseat subs and add the scanspeak 7" midbass to my door.

Oh and I also have a trunk sub.

My original system was the logic 7, thanks for all the links, I'm going to check them out. I know the p99 is suppose to be the best but $1100 for a headunit is a little to much. If I can't find something that comes close to it I might just end up getting the p99. I'll see. Thank you again for the links.
Any head unit that has six 4 volt rca outputs should work good. I got an Alpine s920hd which is a double din. No complaints at all. It has time alignment, eq, and adjustable crossovers which are useful since I don't have a processor.
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Sone example systems

Best System examples
Logic 7 upgrades
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826683
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590420
Base System Upgrades
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445266
http://www.monsteraudiodesign.co.uk/
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634957
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1003810
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822366
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1#post16679904
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=581379
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451941
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540954
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ghlight=Dotech
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495855
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494299
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...morel-jbl.html
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1#post16679904
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=amp+upgrade
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=550771
HI Fi upgrades
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=level
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540446
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=technic
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532585
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833581
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443043
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324214
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=level+3
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=processor
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=BSW
http://www.bilstereoforum.se/showthread.php?t=2356
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...creations.html

head unit
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=head+unit
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1036190
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.janus-design.net/english/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355089
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ight=head+unit
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...light=retrofit
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=993447
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1016187
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
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Best System examples
Logic 7 upgrades
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=826683</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=590420</a>
Base System Upgrades
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=445266</a>
http://<a href="http://www.monsterau...ign.co.uk/</a>
http://<a href="http://www.1addicts....p?t=634957</a>
http://<a href="http://f30.bimmerpos...?t=1003810</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=822366</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...st16679904</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=581379</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=451941</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=540954</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ght=Dotech</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=495855</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=494299</a>
http://<a href="http://www.diymobile...l-jbl.html</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...st16679904</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...mp+upgrade</a>
http://<a href="http://www.bimmerfes...p?t=550771</a>
HI Fi upgrades
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ight=level</a>
http://<a href="http://www.m3post.co...p?t=540446</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=technic</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=532585</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=833581</a>
http://<a href="http://www.m3post.co...p?t=443043</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=324214</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=level+3</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...=processor</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...hlight=BSW</a>
http://<a href="http://www.bilstereo...php?t=2356</a>
http://<a href="http://www.diymobile...tions.html</a>

head unit
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...=head+unit</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...?t=1036190</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=dynavin</a>
http://<a href="http://www.janus-des...t/english/</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=355089</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...=head+unit</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=dynavin</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=dynavin</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...t=retrofit</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=993447</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...?t=1016187</a>
http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...ht=dynavin</a>
Thank you for all the info! Scanspeaks are used mostly for home hifi.

http://<a href="https://www.madisoun...fer-4-ohm/</a>

I have the Focal k2 in my doors and stock underseats. All other speakers are turned off. Understeads sound very boomy to me. I want to run full 3 way upfront with a trunk sub.
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If you have a PS-8, why do you need a multi-channel HU with processing? Sounds redundant...am I missing something?

Underseats will definitely not sound boomy unless set-up incorrectly. More details --> more help!
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If you have a PS-8, why do you need a multi-channel HU with processing? Sounds redundant...am I missing something?

Underseats will definitely not sound boomy unless set-up incorrectly. More details --> more help!
Never said I need a head unit that does processing. I'm not to familiar with aftermarket head units but can any unit run 6 channels and a sub?

The underseats are still running off the stock amp and not connected to the processor.
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That sounds like a lot of your problem .

That sounds like a lot of your problem .
(underseats on the stock amp and stock speakers in the
same location)
I think you need to describe exactly how things are hooked up
and exactly what you have.
Model numbers channel assignment and wattage's.
Also what are you trying to accomplish?
Just sound quality?
So you still have the stock L7 amp installed and you are
feeding your processor with speaker outs from the amp I would guess.

Also how are you sourcing the music to your sound system?
Cd ,USB, ipod, Aux ?

What do you want to spend what are your goals?
One solutions would to buy a mobridge da-2 preamp and take
the stock amp out altogether.
not exactly familiar with your processor but most will generate the
additional channels which you can them amp.

Do you have the pro head unit now or the idrive/nav

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If you have a PS-8, why do you need a multi-channel HU with processing? Sounds redundant...am I missing something?

Underseats will definitely not sound boomy unless set-up incorrectly. More details --> more help!
Never said I need a head unit that does processing. I'm not to familiar with aftermarket head units but can any unit run 6 channels and a sub?

The underseats are still running off the stock amp and not connected to the processor.
Active crossovers = processing. Seems like you know it all, good luck.
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That sounds like a lot of your problem .
(underseats on the stock amp and stock speakers in the
same location)
I think you need to describe exactly how things are hooked up
and exactly what you have.
Model numbers channel assignment and wattage's.
Also what are you trying to accomplish?
Just sound quality.
So you still have the stock L7 amp installed and you are
feeding your processor with speaker outs from the amp I would guess.

Also how are you sourcing the music to your sound system?
Cd ,USB, ipod, Aux ?
Yes going for sound quality, don't care for SPL.

Focal k2 4inch in front doors, scanspeak illuminator tweeters with custom pod in stock location.. Those are hooked up to a 4 channel Zapco ref. They take up channels 1-4 on the ps8. Center channel has 4.5 scanspeak illuminator mid with illuminator tweeter. Connected to a JL xd200.2. They take up channels 5 and 6 on the ps8. Trunk sub is a 10" JL W3 which takes up channel 7 on the ps8.

I want to add 7" mid bass to my doors and get rid of my center speakers and disconnect the underseats. I've been abusing those underseats for the last 8 years lol.

Stock head unit, stock underseats running off stock amp.
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If you have a PS-8, why do you need a multi-channel HU with processing? Sounds redundant...am I missing something?

Underseats will definitely not sound boomy unless set-up incorrectly. More details --> more help!
Never said I need a head unit that does processing. I'm not to familiar with aftermarket head units but can any unit run 6 channels and a sub?

The underseats are still running off the stock amp and not connected to the processor.
Active crossovers = processing. Seems like you know it all, good luck.
Ok.. I know what active means, thank you. I said I'm not familiar with headunits which is why I asked can any headunit run 6 channels and a sub.
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I would get rid of the factory amp altogether

I would get rid of the factory amp altogether
There are two ways to do it .
Use a Mobridge DA-2 or reprogram the Head Unit to Hi Fi
pre amp signals.
A lot of people here don't go for the surround sound solution
so no center speaker.
You are soured on the under seats because of the stock amp and
speakers . That location can sound quite good with the proper
speakers and amp Jehnert 8 inch XE 200's underseats are one of the best
solutions if for mid bass and for a speaker in that location .
Jehnert , Morel are the better speakers most often mentioned here.
I have Jehnerts in the underseats and Morels in the doors and xd 600/6
These speakers are both smooth warm and highly accurate.
I am not a bass head and I would call my system a little bass heavy
with no sub woofer but I am very old school. (stuck in the 60's and 70's
basically and happy about it)

I suggest you study the audio build thread before you proceed.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

I haven't seen anybody gouging holes in there doors for speakers here a few have bought the Jehnert Panels . It basicly replaces the map storage
area with a way to mount three 6.5 inch speakers per side.
See the Jehnert Website.

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I would get rid of the factory amp altogether
There are two ways to do it .
Use a Mobridge DA-2 or reprogram the Head Unit to Hi Fi
pre amp signals.
I was on MoBridges website and read the da-2 can't do optical and if I want to do optical to use a da-1. I can get a da-1 for around $400. If I change my headunit and disconnect my underseats won't that bypass the stock amp? Sorry if that's a newb question.
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I would get rid of the factory amp altogether
There are two ways to do it .
Use a Mobridge DA-2 or reprogram the Head Unit to Hi Fi
pre amp signals.
A lot of people here don't go for the surround sound solution
so no center speaker.
You are soured on the under seats because of the stock amp and
speakers . That location can sound quite good with the proper
speakers and amp Jehnert 8 inch XE 200's underseats are one of the best
solutions if for mid bass and for a speaker in that location .
Jehnert , Morel are the better speakers most often mentioned here.

I suggest you study the audio build thread before you proceed.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323
I know both of those brands, the speakers I want won't even get close to fitting in that location.
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The da-1 goest optical to optical the da-2 is optical to analog

The da-1 goes optical(BMW) to optical(toslink) the da-2 is optical to analog.
Most people want the da-2 as they can go directly to amps
low level input . Didn't know the processor had a opto link.

Yep there is a limited number of speakers that fit in these cars.
There is a speaker list inside the audio build thread . You pretty much
have to work with it unless you want to gouge your panels and or
fabricate something.
I think the Jehnert Panels are pretty cool but you do have to cut your
door to do those to.
There are a lot more made to fit BMW kit speaker kits now but they are not all high end. Gladen and Helix plus the Jehnerts already mentioned.

Yes if you change your Head Unit you are back to an all analog interface.
Be sure to read about the side effects of changing the head unit such as.
If you take the car in for diagnostics or software upgrades at BMW they
can't do it without the original head unit installed.
If you have BMW Sos it will cease to work and cause and error signal.
PDC will no longer work.
Anything else like ipod , cdc will cease to work.
some people do a parallel mount of there old head unit to overcome this
at least don' throw it away.

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The da-1 goes optical(BMW) to optical(toslink) the da-2 is optical to analog.
Most people want the da-2 as they can go directly to amps
low level input . Didn't know the processor had a opto link.

Yep there is a limited number of speakers that fit in these cars.
There is a speaker list inside the audio build thread . You pretty much
have to work with it unless you want to gouge your panels and or
fabricate something.
I think the Jehnert Panels are pretty cool but you do have to cut your
door to do those to.
There are a lot more made to fit BMW kit speaker kits now but they are not all high end. Gladen and Helix plus the Jehnerts already mentioned.

Yes if you change your Head Unit you are back to an all analog interface.
Be sure to read about the side effects of changing the head unit such as.
If you take the car in for diagnostics or software upgrades at BMW they
can't do it without the original head unit installed.
If you have BMW Sos it will cease to work and cause and error signal.
PDC will no longer work.
Anything else like ipod , cdc will cease to work.
some people do a parallel mount of there old head unit to overcome this
at least don' throw it away.
Pretty sure the ps8 has a optical in. I've had my car for 8 years already so I don't think it's going to BMW anytime soon. Yes I will be getting custom enclosures made in the doors to fit the new speakers. Thanks for all your help!
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Mobridge or recode to HiFi.

Any HU with TWO outputs will work fine unless, for some really odd reason, you have the desire to run rears also. Then two sets of outputs are all that's needed.

Jehnerts for the underseats would be the most economical solution and quite simple. Jehnert panels give a good bit more flexibility and the option for Four 6.5s per side. Or, for a similar cost, have one off 'pods' made.

Take the center out of the equation, unless you have some sort of Dolby processing and watch movies during your commute- I really don't recommend this.
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Mobridge or recode to HiFi.

Any HU with TWO outputs will work fine unless, for some really odd reason, you have the desire to run rears also. Then two sets of outputs are all that's needed.

Jehnerts for the underseats would be the most economical solution and quite simple. Jehnert panels give a good bit more flexibility and the option for Four 6.5s per side. Or, for a similar cost, have one off 'pods' made.

Take the center out of the equation, unless you have some sort of Dolby processing and watch movies during your commute- I really don't recommend this.
Thanks for the response, I don't run any rears and I don't plan on it. When I add mid bass I will be getting rid of the center completely.
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