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      12-12-2006, 11:14 AM   #1
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Any Xede 335's hit the 1/4 mile??

I understand this isn't a "1/4 mile car", but neither was my 951. And I had to see what it ran!

I'm really curious to see some 1/4 mile times before and after the Xede. Reason being that there are some areas running .4-.6 faster than others. So if I ran a 13.5 here it would probably be a 13.0 in, say, Michigan. I ran into this when I used to drag my Lightning. We'd hit 13.2's with a chip/pulley in Arizona and the East Coast guys were running 12.7's with the exact same mods!

So let's see 'em! Post your 1/4 time with/without the Xede!
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I understand this isn't a "1/4 mile car", but neither was my 951. And I had to see what it ran!

I'm really curious to see some 1/4 mile times before and after the Xede. Reason being that there are some areas running .4-.6 faster than others. So if I ran a 13.5 here it would probably be a 13.0 in, say, Michigan. I ran into this when I used to drag my Lightning. We'd hit 13.2's with a chip/pulley in Arizona and the East Coast guys were running 12.7's with the exact same mods!

So let's see 'em! Post your 1/4 time with/without the Xede!
Could be the driver, no?
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Could be the driver, no?
Nope, I'm talking about years of running the 1/4 mile down here with many different cars/trucks and different "clubs". It's the same over and over again. I know this from having WAY too many cars. Sheesh, for my birthday I must have received 15 different emails from Forums wishing me a happy birthday. We're always slower out here. Different weather, elevation, track prep, etc always comes into play.

Keep in mind I ran a 4.8 0-60 in my 335i (manual trans) with 80 miles on the car, in Arizona, in the heat, on a regular road. I can drive.

So, no one has hit the 1/4 mile yet????
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See this thread:

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We're always slower out here. Different weather, ELEVATION, track prep, etc always comes into play.
This would be the real problem not couting track prep and driver....
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Unfortunately this thread doesn't tells us anything. 1 run that some friend made... I'm trying to get a list of Xede 1/4 mile times, hopefully by the same car to compare stock vs Xede. Would be nice to see the auto and manual times as well. There must be, what, 25-30 Xede cars out there now and no one has hit the 1/4 mile just for fun??
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Unfortunately this thread doesn't tells us anything. 1 run that some friend made... I'm trying to get a list of Xede 1/4 mile times, hopefully by the same car to compare stock vs Xede. Would be nice to see the auto and manual times as well. There must be, what, 25-30 Xede cars out there now and no one has hit the 1/4 mile just for fun??
25-30? Not quite. Last count, there are about 10 on the road, not including mine. Give it a few more weeks and we'll see a few dozen more on the road. I'm sure at least a few of them will hit the strip. Just give it time.

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As a side note -- did everyone see that >$200k Hartage E92 (w/ a tuned 550HP 10-cyl. engine from the M5)???? They claim is does 0-62mph in 4.4 sec., but what's the big deal since a stock 335i can do 0-60mph in 4.8 sec. and an Xede-equipped 335i can do it in ~ 4.1 - 4.5 sec.??? So, an Xede-equipped 335i is faster than this tuned 550HP 10 cyl. E92??? Unless Hartage is just estimating the numbers (and it's more like 0-62mph in ~ 3.5 sec.), I fail to see why this is so great, especially for >$200,000!!!!

Anyway, I believe Shiv has been estimating that an Xede-equipped 335i should do the 1/4 mi. in mid-high 12 sec. range. :rocks: I would love to know if it's faster than a CTS-V, 300C SRT8, or any other of those V8 power monsters!!!
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the hartage e90 is heavy, plus that engine is not really known for being rediculously fast until over 100 mph, then its a beast. Dont get me wrong its pretty damn fast but over 100 it just pulls. I think the hartage car is just a good show car, i mean its pretty cool that they shoved the v10 in the e90. I doubt too many people will actually do that to their car.
BTW the 335 should be as fast as the cts-v 0-60 and the quarter.
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the hartage e90 is heavy, plus that engine is not really known for being rediculously fast until over 100 mph, then its a beast. Dont get me wrong its pretty damn fast but over 100 it just pulls. I think the hartage car is just a good show car, i mean its pretty cool that they shoved the v10 in the e90. I doubt too many people will actually do that to their car.
BTW the 335 should be as fast as the cts-v 0-60 and the quarter.

correction the engine would be the same at high speed or low speed, i think ur refering more to gearing and traction with the M5
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I've said it once I'll say it 100 times, 0-60 is a dated measure. Use 1/4 mile trap speeds for comparisons.
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I like to read about 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile ET and trap speeds, 0-100, 100-0, 0-150. Of course at the ripe old age of 56 I guess I'm dated too. But don't tell my wife, who is 33.
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I like to read about 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile ET and trap speeds, 0-100, 100-0, 0-150. Of course at the ripe old age of 56 I guess I'm dated too. But don't tell my wife, who is 33.

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1/4 mile times are always fun and it's not so much of just a vehicle's performance evaluation, but also the driver's ability.

In the past, I used to think that a good test to see the car's performance was the 0-150-0. However, this test neglects the handling characteristics so laptimes with speed and time check points in a road course is an excellent indicator of a vehicle's overall performance. Wish we all could do a lap on the Nürburgring!
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I would love to know if it's faster than a CTS-V, 300C SRT8, or any other of those V8 power monsters!!!
I GTech'd my 335i faster than the Magnum SRT8 and 300C SRT8 that my wife and I owned. My Magnum (which was slower than my wife's 300) ran a 14.0 at Firebrid. I know, slower than what you've seen but again, our times are slower here. I have no doubt my 335 is a mid 13 second car at the same track. It may be pretty similar to what the 300 would be (lighter than the Magnum by a couple hundred lbs).

sdiver68 - unfortunately all I got was the outdated 0-60 times. But 99% of the time that's all I do on the road anyway. The last time I ran the car 0-100 plus MPH was, uhhmmm, no idea. But I'm plannig on hitting the 1/4 mile as soon as I can!! Who knows, maybe I'll be the first stock vs Xede 1/4 mile runs!
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1/4 mile times are always fun and it's not so much of just a vehicle's performance evaluation, but also the driver's ability.

In the past, I used to think that a good test to see the car's performance was the 0-150-0. However, this test neglects the handling characteristics so laptimes with speed and time check points in a road course is an excellent indicator of a vehicle's overall performance. Wish we all could do a lap on the Nürburgring!
Yes, road race lap times are the best overall indicator. Either C&D or R&T (I forget which since I subscribe to both) is promising quarterly updates on VIR lap times. Personally, I'd like to see them at Road America so I can compare to my own times and I know that track much better, but that's just me One thing to keep in mind, though since we are splitting hairs, is different tracks more fully weight certain factors. For instance, a huge track like RA puts a premium on acceleration and top speed, where as a smaller track like say Barber puts more of a premium on handling for best lap times. And none of those lap times indicate as much unless each car is put on the same brand and type of rubber...something which the better Sportbike-oriented motorcycle mags do in all of their comparos in addition to actual dyno testing, but the car mags claim would be too expensive

I like 1/4 trap speed (versus time) for acceleration because it's much less dependent on the driver's ability to get a great and quick launch.

Weedo - No prob, I'm not ripping anyone, I'm just saying the 0-60 differences are getting so small and can be heavily influenced by so many variables other than power, that in order to really gauge differences a longer run is more illustrative.
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I like 1/4 trap speed (versus time) for acceleration because it's much less dependent on the driver's ability to get a great and quick launch.

The tough part about that is there are exceptions. My 951 with a few goodies was BRUTAL after about 20mph. Before that speed, my Sienna would waste it. I had an '03 Z06 with Heads/Cam/Headers/etc that I couldn't do better than a 12.4 in the 1/4 (here in AZ) but the trap was 118.5mph. I couldn't help but spin the street tires in the first 3 gears and bark 'em in 4th. I think your point is that the 951 and Vette would be brutal on a race course but just couldn't run the 1/4 all that well. Heck, I ran a 12.7 in my Automatic (stall) Camaro SS but at 107mph. :rocks: (notice the mudflap)
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The tough part about that is there are exceptions. My 951 with a few goodies was BRUTAL after about 20mph. Before that speed, my Sienna would waste it. I had an '03 Z06 with Heads/Cam/Headers/etc that I couldn't do better than a 12.4 in the 1/4 (here in AZ) but the trap was 118.5mph. I couldn't help but spin the street tires in the first 3 gears and bark 'em in 4th. I think your point is that the 951 and Vette would be brutal on a race course but just couldn't run the 1/4 all that well. Heck, I ran a 12.7 in my Automatic (stall) Camaro SS but at 107mph. :rocks: (notice the mudflap)
No, my point is that the 951 and Vette's trap speed were much more indicative of its overall power than its actual time. Your examples exactly prove my point!

As for the lap time discussion, that was mostly agreeing with 2007/335i/coupe's post, but still pointing out a small caveat
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No, my point is that the 951 and Vette's trap speed were much more indicative of its overall power than its actual time.
True, but the point overall here is that we're looking for 1/4 mile times. We already know ho much "overall power" the 335's have (stock and Xede). But what I'm hoping to find out, for example, is can my 335 beat my old 300rwhp Camaro SS through the 1/4 mile? Or how close is it to my Z06 when it was stock?

I'll find out next month how well it does on the race course!
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